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term='self-importance'/><category term='cliche'/><category term='end times'/><category term='self-awareness'/><category term='aggressive'/><category term='tags'/><category term='rapture'/><category term='abiogenesis'/><category term='fossils'/><category term='figure of speech'/><category term='religion'/><category term='apologetics'/><category term='quotes'/><category term='aggression'/><category term='fail'/><category term='symmetry'/><category term='satire'/><category term='reasons'/><category term='mu'/><category term='medicine'/><title type='text'>Ecstathy</title><subtitle type='html'>Atheism, skepticism, science, technology, philosophy.</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' 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pleading'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sophisticated belief'/><title type='text'>Why 'You don't know enough to reject my religion' is merely special pleading</title><content type='html'>An oft-made claim is that atheists are ignorant of this or that special reasoning about some religion and are therefore not in a position to lack belief in it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Before even considering such special arguments that we're supposedly ignorant of, we must then ask '&lt;i&gt;What principle is being applied?&lt;/i&gt;' - for in the absence of some general principle, this &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; special pleading for ones own belief. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So is the principle something like &lt;i&gt;all belief and disbelief must be fully informed, and without it, we must all suspend both out believing and disbelieving faculties&lt;/i&gt;? Surely not, for then no child could ever be indoctrinated with the religion of its parents, uninformed as it is. Advocates of such a principle must fight childhood indoctrination.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's even worse - how many believers, even as adults - are even slightly informed about the arguments against the ordinary weak version of arguments that so many hold to? They are uninformed of those, just as they are uninformed of the 'sophisticated' arguments for belief that the apologists insist we must have, and the arguments in turn against those.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is there are double standard, then, toward disbelief even though it is the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof#Holder_of_the_burden"&gt;the default position&lt;/a&gt; toward propositions until evidence or compelling argument is forthcoming? Such a double standard is of course, another form of special pleading, but let's see what happens if we for a moment allow it. Let's try to arrive at some principle and apply it only to &lt;i&gt;disbelief&lt;/i&gt; in religious claims (allowing a first layer of special pleading for belief).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then we have a principle something like '&lt;i&gt;you must know everything about any religious claim in order to lack belief in it&lt;/i&gt;', ignoring &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; arguments from the against side of the ledger.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But here of course, we run into the second problem - do believers apply that principle to beliefs other than their own? Do they know enough about other religions to reject them?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Overwhelmingly, and quite plainly not. Believers are &lt;a href="http://pewforum.org/Other-Beliefs-and-Practices/U-S-Religious-Knowledge-Survey.aspx"&gt;almost entirely ignorant of even the basic beliefs&lt;/a&gt; of major religions, let alone the sophisticated arguments for other religions. Many don't do so well &lt;i&gt;even on the doctrines of their own sects&lt;/i&gt;. Indeed, it's the atheists who tend to know about religious beliefs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So a principle of even that kind &lt;i&gt;isn't&lt;/i&gt; being applied to believers. We see a second double standard - a second form of special pleading.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This same idea pretty much applies to &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; argument that is made about needing sophisticated knowledge with respect to religion; they all come down to a form of special pleading.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When a theist calls for deep knowledge of their religion, they're merely making an argument from special pleading. Either the call is special pleading on its face, or it is based on a principle - but such principles end up at a double standard, for such principles are not applied to believers (and the people making the original argument &lt;i&gt;assuredly don't want them to be&lt;/i&gt;), and so is special pleading at that point. It's special pleading, any which way you try to look at it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-6791133395415976008?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/6791133395415976008/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=6791133395415976008' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/6791133395415976008'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/6791133395415976008'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2011/12/why-you-dont-know-enough-to-reject-my.html' title='Why &apos;You don&apos;t know enough to reject my religion&apos; is merely special pleading'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-6382703079162852018</id><published>2011-12-24T19:43:00.001+11:00</published><updated>2011-12-24T19:43:16.868+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='statistics'/><title type='text'></title><content type='html'>I only just learned yesterday that &lt;a href="http://www.significancemagazine.org/details/webexclusive/1315465/Paul-Meier---Statistican-who-saved-millions-of-lives.html"&gt;Paul Meier died&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you don't know who that is (and if you're not a statistician or involved with clinical trials, you probably don't), take a read of the link.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-6382703079162852018?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/6382703079162852018/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=6382703079162852018' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/6382703079162852018'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/6382703079162852018'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2011/12/i-only-just-learned-yesterday-that-paul.html' title=''/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-1321264223217832784</id><published>2011-12-09T13:18:00.001+11:00</published><updated>2011-12-09T14:07:33.673+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='homophobia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pastor'/><title type='text'>You remember the old "anti-gay pastor/politician turns out to be gay" thing? It seems it's a real thing</title><content type='html'>You know the way it goes, &lt;a href="http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2007/11/right-wing-hypo.html"&gt;some pastor or "christian" politician goes on a big anti-gay thing&lt;/a&gt; - and then turns out to be gay. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We've seen &lt;a href="http://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-anti-gay-activists-caught-being-gay/joanne"&gt;seen so many it's not even funny&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, it looks like it's not just irony coming along a little too often. It seems it's a real thing. See &lt;a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014"&gt;this paper&lt;/a&gt; ("Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?"). The abstract says:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson &amp;amp; W. A. Ricketts, 1980). The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored. They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss &amp;amp; M. Perry, 1992). Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="abstr"&gt;(Short answer: &lt;b&gt;Yes&lt;/b&gt;. The guys that aren't turned on by gay porn aren't homophobes. &lt;i&gt;Actual&lt;/i&gt; straight guys don't seem to be the biggest problem. It's the guys that secretly think you're hot in those cut-off shorts that you have to really watch out for.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So the next time you see that pastor or right wing christian politician screaming about the gays ... and you're thinking "oh, I bet he's secretly gay", well, maybe that's not such a silly bet. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Edit: Yeah, it's an old paper - but I've never seen it before, nor even seen any academic support for the effect. One wonders why this doesn't give them pause before launching the polemics.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;h/t &lt;a href="http://furiouspurpose.me/by-the-way-daniel-nalliah-george-pell-and-jim-wallace/"&gt;Furious Purpose&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-1321264223217832784?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/1321264223217832784/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=1321264223217832784' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1321264223217832784'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1321264223217832784'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2011/12/you-remember-old-anti-gay.html' title='You remember the old &quot;anti-gay pastor/politician turns out to be gay&quot; thing? It seems it&apos;s a real thing'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-6548559916816838942</id><published>2011-12-05T21:34:00.001+11:00</published><updated>2011-12-05T21:52:03.453+11:00</updated><title type='text'>reddit's /r/atheism Doctors without Borders (MSF) donation drive goes crazy</title><content type='html'>Compare the donations from &lt;a href="http://www.firstgiving.com/fundraiser/r-atheism/ratheism"&gt;redditors donating to Doctors without Borders&lt;/a&gt; (MSF) in the last &lt;i&gt;two days&lt;/i&gt; to all donations to MSF on firstgiving.com in the &lt;i&gt;last eight years&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;That's about $75,000 in maybe two days. $150,000 all up.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?chs=520x150&amp;cht=p&amp;chds=0,897203&amp;chd=t:897203,75000,75000&amp;chp=5.35&amp;chl=All+other+firstgiving+donations+since+2003|r%2Fatheism+donations+since+last+year|r%2Fatheism+donations+in+the+last+two+days&amp;chtt=Doctors+without+Borders+firstgiving+donations" width="520" height="150" alt="Doctors without Borders firstgiving donations" /&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;p&gt;The whole circle represents (roughly) a million dollars.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; Oh, and those r/atheism donations since last year? Nearly half of &lt;i&gt;those&lt;/i&gt; were in the three days or so before the frenzy really started.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;At least, that's roughly the picture as at right now - but this figure is changing rapidly. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-6548559916816838942?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/6548559916816838942/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=6548559916816838942' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/6548559916816838942'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/6548559916816838942'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2011/12/reddits-ratheism-doctors-without.html' title='reddit&apos;s /r/atheism Doctors without Borders (MSF) donation drive goes crazy'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-5157755052250199360</id><published>2011-11-04T17:45:00.007+11:00</published><updated>2011-11-04T20:23:55.642+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='statistics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='age'/><title type='text'>Are atheists "kids"?</title><content type='html'>One accusation I see against atheists come up a fair bit on &lt;a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/new"&gt;reddit's r/atheism&lt;/a&gt; is that we're  'angry 13 year olds', that we're 'in a rebellious phase', that 'atheism is a passing fad'.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To this 48 year old homeowner with a family and a steady job, the 'rebellious' bit seems hilarious.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So let's compare the age distributions, shall we?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In 2010, Reddit &lt;a href="http://redditsurvey.zxq.net/results.php"&gt;did a survey&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some months later, redditor NukeThePope did &lt;a href="www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/h6mjk/interim_report_on_nukethepopes_age_and_gender_poll/"&gt;a survey&lt;/a&gt; of r/atheism. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Both surveys asked about age and categorized it into broad age groups. Now these samples are self-selected, with the usual biases that implies - but both sets of biases would presumably be of similar size and direction on age, so they might still be reasonably comparable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, because the age groups don't correspond, I'm going to smooth both distributions - doing &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_density_estimation"&gt;kernel density estimates&lt;/a&gt; of log(age) with the bandwidth set just above where binning artifacts start to appear - which is slightly different for the two, because they have different sets of binwidths - and then transforming back to the original scale (&lt;i&gt;and don't forget the Jacobian&lt;/i&gt;, he whispers to himself!).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's how that comes out:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8Ry0IMkGEFQ/TrOdhP56SSI/AAAAAAAAAUs/VEaVAjsYyqQ/s1600/redage.png" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, on the left half of the distributions, they're almost coincident. In the mid-to-late 20's there are relatively &lt;i&gt;very slightly&lt;/i&gt; more in r/atheism, and in the mid-30's, very slightly fewer. Then the distributions are almost coincident again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That is, around the upper quartile - well into adulthood - the atheists look to be  perhaps a couple of years younger (I did some additional analysis to estimate the difference in that area) on average. Otherwise, there's really no clear difference.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So atheists - at least the denizens of r/atheism - aren't particularly different from everyone else; they seem to pretty much just reflect the demographics of reddit.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-5157755052250199360?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/5157755052250199360/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=5157755052250199360' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/5157755052250199360'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/5157755052250199360'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2011/11/are-atheists-kids.html' title='Are atheists &quot;kids&quot;?'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8Ry0IMkGEFQ/TrOdhP56SSI/AAAAAAAAAUs/VEaVAjsYyqQ/s72-c/redage.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-1776191982521239747</id><published>2011-10-26T14:16:00.007+11:00</published><updated>2011-10-26T14:43:35.702+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='r/atheism'/><title type='text'>r/atheism passes 200,000 subscribers</title><content type='html'>&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ytP-TNC-9ks/Tqd7wToBt0I/AAAAAAAAAUg/9JLhEcAlX-E/s1600/Rath200K.png" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's gone absolutely nuts lately, adding about 25000 new subscribers in just over a &lt;i&gt;week&lt;/i&gt;. It was averaging 390 new subscribers a day, and then it got made one of the groups on the new default reddit front page on the 18th. It's been averaging about 3500 new subscribers a day since.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh, and I passed 4 years of blogging this month, though at about a post a month this year, you can't really call that blogging.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-1776191982521239747?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/1776191982521239747/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=1776191982521239747' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1776191982521239747'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1776191982521239747'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2011/10/ratheism-passes-200000-subscribers.html' title='r/atheism passes 200,000 subscribers'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ytP-TNC-9ks/Tqd7wToBt0I/AAAAAAAAAUg/9JLhEcAlX-E/s72-c/Rath200K.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-1594685525472299756</id><published>2011-08-27T08:47:00.014+10:00</published><updated>2011-08-27T17:18:52.151+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='trust'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='irreligion'/><title type='text'>Lower rates of religiosity associated with more trust of others</title><content type='html'>&lt;small&gt;I tried posting about this ages ago, but Blogger clagged when I hit publish and everything I tried didn't fix the problem. Then I had some computer issues; eventually leading to a new machine. Finally Blogger seemed to wake up, so I decided I better try to reconstruct the post. So anyway, in honour of my third reddit birthday:&lt;/small&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I saw some OECD figures on trust ("Percentage of people expressing a high level of trust in others") at the national level for 32 countries, and tracked them down to &lt;a href="http://www.oecd.org/document/24/0,3746,en_2649_37419_2671576_1_1_1_37419,00.html"&gt;this page&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;(The data come from two sources - the European Social Survey and the International Social Survey Programme.) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Specifically, at the bottom is a spreadsheet (CO1.XLS) that has some displays of the data, including plots looking at the relationship between Trust and two economic factors (&lt;i&gt;median income&lt;/i&gt;, and &lt;i&gt;income inequality&lt;/I&gt;). These are 2008 figures. I decided to throw &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_by_country"&gt;Irreligion&lt;/a&gt; (specifically, the 2007-2008 Gallup figures there, which relate to the question "Is religion important in your daily life", and the Irreligion figures are the percentage responding negatively) into the mix and see how that related.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As it turns out, quite strongly:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tcoxfNgBNS8/Tlgn3rWibBI/AAAAAAAAAUQ/zOxAGO6W2m4/s1600/Trust_Irrel.png"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 241px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tcoxfNgBNS8/Tlgn3rWibBI/AAAAAAAAAUQ/zOxAGO6W2m4/s400/Trust_Irrel.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5645305970392460306" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; (Click for larger)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But of course, maybe that relationship is actually explained by those other variables the OECD identified, income and income inequality. Income is median household income (US$&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity"&gt;PPP&lt;/a&gt;). Income inequality is measured by Gini coefficient (low is more equal, high is more unequal). Let's look at those as well (Ignore the plot at the bottom right for now). The black numbers are linear correlation coefficients.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-b2kZh1VXVJQ/TlgpM3S7TUI/AAAAAAAAAUY/NTq0w_dGXaI/s1600/Trust4.png"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 399px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-b2kZh1VXVJQ/TlgpM3S7TUI/AAAAAAAAAUY/NTq0w_dGXaI/s400/Trust4.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5645307433887419714" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; (Click for larger)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All three veriables are strongly related to Trust. The plot against Gini Coefficient has a down slope (negative correlation) indicating trust goes down when incomes are less equal - not surprising.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I decided to fit a model to see what the important drivers were. Are any of the variables still relevant after the other two have been included? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Though I would normally not assume a straight line, here the relationships are all so near to straight it's not worth trying to do something fancy, so I just fit a linear regression of Trust on the other three variables.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;tt&gt;&lt;br /&gt;lm(Trust ~ Income + GiniCoeff + Irreligion, data = oecdtr)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Coefficients:&lt;br /&gt;             Estimate   Std. Error t value Pr(&gt;|t|)&lt;br /&gt;(Intercept)  3.704e+01  2.107e+01  1.758   0.09270&lt;br /&gt;Income       1.034e-03  2.854e-04  3.625   0.00150&lt;br /&gt;GiniCoeff   -6.232e+01  4.535e+01 -1.374   0.18320&lt;br /&gt;Irreligion   4.065e-01  1.330e-01  3.056   0.00579&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Residual standard error: 8.221 on 22 degrees of freedom&lt;br /&gt;(8 observations deleted due to missingness)&lt;br /&gt;Multiple R-squared: 0.8119, Adjusted R-squared: 0.7862&lt;br /&gt;F-statistic: 31.65 on 3 and 22 DF, p-value: 3.671e-08&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Analysis, including plots performed in &lt;B&gt;R&lt;/b&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The main things to note is that all of the variables maintain the same sign of relationship when the other variables are included compared to looking at the relationship alone (this is not always the case - adjusting for other important variables can sometimes flip things around). After including the other variables, Trust still increases with Income and Irreligion, and still decreases with increasing Income Inequality.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fourth plot above is of Trust against the fit from this model - it accounts for a lot of the variation in trust in other people across the countries involved.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, as we see from the regression output, the Income Inequality (Gini Coeff) variable is no longer statistically significant - most of its relationship to Trust can be accounted for by the other variables. But Income and Irreligion are both still highly significant predictors of Trust.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That doesn't mean that having low levels of religious belief necessarily &lt;i&gt;causes&lt;/i&gt; to more trust (it's probably that they both relate to other social factors, like social services, public health, support for the unemployed, crime rates and so on). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I nevertheless found the relationship much stronger than I would have anticipated. &lt;br /&gt;I think that's very interesting.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-1594685525472299756?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/1594685525472299756/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=1594685525472299756' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1594685525472299756'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1594685525472299756'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2011/08/lower-rates-of-religiosity-associated.html' title='Lower rates of religiosity associated with more trust of others'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tcoxfNgBNS8/Tlgn3rWibBI/AAAAAAAAAUQ/zOxAGO6W2m4/s72-c/Trust_Irrel.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-3918080445555108869</id><published>2011-07-18T18:10:00.013+10:00</published><updated>2011-07-18T19:04:59.746+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Religion vs Science'/><title type='text'>Science Readiness and Religion</title><content type='html'>Susan White (Statistical Research Center at the American Institute of Physics) and Paul Cottle (Florida State University) produced an index of Science and Engineering Readiness (SERI) for US states, based on a variety of information including Advanced Placement scores, National Assessment of Educational Progress reports, teacher certification requirements by state and physics class enrollment data. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I decided to compare those figures with the percentage of people who said yes to the question "Is religion important in your daily life?" (a measure of religiosity) in each US state.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0wdDvV4Az3M/TiPtGCF4JpI/AAAAAAAAAUI/XgKu-xW8yY4/s1600/SeriRel.png"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 399px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0wdDvV4Az3M/TiPtGCF4JpI/AAAAAAAAAUI/XgKu-xW8yY4/s400/SeriRel.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5630604647039772306" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Click for larger image)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There's a surprisingly clear negative correlation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Science and Engineering Readiness Index figures come from &lt;A href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/11/state-education-rankings-_n_894528.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and religious importance figures from &lt;a href="&lt;br /&gt;http://www.gallup.com/poll/114022/State-States-Importance-Religion.aspx#2"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(The importance of religion figures can be copypasta'd &lt;a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-01-29-faith-state-survey_N.htm"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That's one very scary potential explanation of why the US is falling behind in science. People watching the Texas SBOE (and on it!) may do well to take note.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-3918080445555108869?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/3918080445555108869/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=3918080445555108869' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/3918080445555108869'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/3918080445555108869'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2011/07/science-readiness-and-religion.html' title='Science Readiness and Religion'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0wdDvV4Az3M/TiPtGCF4JpI/AAAAAAAAAUI/XgKu-xW8yY4/s72-c/SeriRel.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-4890545649616707758</id><published>2011-05-23T11:04:00.008+10:00</published><updated>2011-05-23T11:39:57.598+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rapture'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bingo'/><title type='text'>Rapture bingo card, post-rapture</title><content type='html'>A few days ago, before the May 21 'Rapture', a &lt;a href="http://imgur.com/zf7B9"&gt;Rapture excuse bingo&lt;/a&gt; card was &lt;a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/hfsr2/rapture_excuse_bingo_card/"&gt;posted&lt;/a&gt; to reddit.&lt;BR&gt;Since the rapture, &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_zUDjTp0jc"&gt;how has it gone&lt;/a&gt;? As tomcool notes, not bad:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href=" http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2548/bingofixed.png"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 440px; height: 800px;" src=" http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2548/bingofixed.png" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;h/t &lt;a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/hhm9w/harold_campings_partner_may_22nd_phone_interview/"&gt;tomthecool&lt;/a&gt;, erekose and STUN_Runner&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-4890545649616707758?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/4890545649616707758/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=4890545649616707758' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4890545649616707758'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4890545649616707758'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2011/05/rapture-bingo-card-post-rapture.html' title='Rapture bingo card, post-rapture'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-7980714409679299718</id><published>2011-04-03T10:15:00.009+10:00</published><updated>2011-04-03T12:36:35.724+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='statistics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='murder'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religion'/><title type='text'>How NOT to regress murder rates on religious belief</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/gfqys/i_did_linear_regression_after_adjusting_for/"&gt;This post&lt;/a&gt; on reddit's &lt;a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/new"&gt;r/atheism&lt;/a&gt; did a linear regression of murder rates on "importance of religion" figures (both sets of data from wikipedia).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The poster there also looked at IHDI (inequality-adjusted human development index) and its effect on the relationship.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The poster found a weak (and statistically insignificant) relationship between importance of religion and murder, but after adjusting for IHDI the sign changed (though the relationship remained weak).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But much about the analysis - and hence the conclusions is wrong or suspect. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(I'd normally have replied on reddit, but since this discussion is relatively long for a comment and involves figures, it's better written up elsewhere. Further, since this sort of analysis is the very &lt;i&gt;raison d'être&lt;/i&gt; of my benighted blog, it goes here.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While I usually work in R these days, I'm going to do the calculations for this in a spreadsheet, like the original - so that those looking at the original poster's spreadsheet can follow along.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, I noticed that the murder rates are highly skew. Since the relationships are fairly weak, this skewness applies to both the conditional and unconditional distribution of murder-rate. This instantly invalidates all the significance-testing, so any conclusions about the significance or otherwise of the relationships goes out the window.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Second, the relationship with importance of religious belief is not monontonic, let alone linear. Any conclusions about the direction of the relationship is meaningless without taking this into account. (In what follows I am going to look at "religion is unimportant" percentages rather than "religion is important" - they mostly add to 100%, or nearly so. I do this for a particular reason, though the other figures should give similar conclusions.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Third, some of the "religion is unimportant" figures are for countries where &lt;i&gt;religious belief is compulsory&lt;/i&gt; or effectively so. Let's take Indonesia as an example. In Indonesia, you must choose one of a small number of religions. Lack of religious belief is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; allowed. So some countries are "jammed up" against the origin, and the extremely high religious belief figures are highly suspect. Seriously, &lt;I&gt;everyone&lt;/i&gt; in some countries thinks religion is important? &lt;i&gt;Absolutely everyone&lt;/i&gt;? (This is one reason why for most of my analyses these days I use Wikipedia's "irreligion" figures instead, as in my previous post.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The "jamming up against zero" issue tends to make relationships curve there, so I transformed that variable too. The usual transform with percentages is the &lt;i&gt;logit transform&lt;/i&gt; but those few suspect "0%" figures make that impossible. I could regularize the logit transform, which usually works quite well, but in this case I just took square roots (in a previous analysis with this type of irreligion figures used here I tried a cube-root transformation, since for low percentages it spreads the figures better (it's more like a logit). With this analysis, either succeeds fairly well, but I figured the square root would be better understood. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since pictures speak much more clearly, let's look at a picture. &lt;br /&gt;I have split the unimportance of religion data into four ranges - first, high figures (in blue - there's a large gap that makes a convenient breakpoint), then medium (teal) and low (green) figues, and finally the 0% figures (red-brown) which I regard as suspect:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-L_YX-8oECR0/TZfFNmJqUsI/AAAAAAAAATg/1dGoUXJXiH4/s1600/murder_religion.png"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 261px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-L_YX-8oECR0/TZfFNmJqUsI/AAAAAAAAATg/1dGoUXJXiH4/s400/murder_religion.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5591154299773801154" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;i&gt;Click for larger image&lt;/i&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(I got the data from Wikipedia again myself and cleaned it a little, as there were some errors in the data that had to be fixed but which shouldn't have affected the original poster's figures.) &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;We see that the 0% figures are inconsistent with the trend in the low figures, and the low figures show a distinctly different pattern to the higher two groups. The upper two groups are reasonably consistent, however - we could probably use a single straight line to describe both. But on the untransformed scale for religious unimportance, there is s stronger suggestion of changing slope)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The log of murder rate is also not monotonic in IHDI though the change is less spectacular (the relationship between IHDI and "religion is unimportant" percentage is strong and close to linear over a fair portion of the range - but again, not clearly monotonic over the whole range). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All of these issues make the conclusions of the original analysis nonsense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What can we see? the least religious countries do indeed have a lower murder rate. The question remains as to whether this effect remains after considering IHDI - but here's the final concern, though it's not a statistical issue:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since IHDI is strongly associated with religious belief, if IHDI is substantively &lt;i&gt;caused by&lt;/i&gt; religious belief, IHDI could be mediating the relationship between the other two variables. If religion is causative, it might be "acting through" IHDI to reduce murder rates. So we have to be cautious about concluding it &lt;i&gt;isn't&lt;/i&gt; causative if it beccomes insignificant after adjusting for IHDI without some rather in depth analysis (and even then with heavy caveats).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I plan to do a more in depth analysis of these figures in R at some point, which will take account of the nonlinearity properly, via additive models.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-7980714409679299718?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/7980714409679299718/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=7980714409679299718' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7980714409679299718'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7980714409679299718'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2011/04/how-not-to-regress-murder-rates-on.html' title='How NOT to regress murder rates on religious belief'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-L_YX-8oECR0/TZfFNmJqUsI/AAAAAAAAATg/1dGoUXJXiH4/s72-c/murder_religion.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-4668437330303389065</id><published>2011-03-16T13:20:00.008+11:00</published><updated>2011-03-17T11:54:38.172+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='statistics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='generosity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religion'/><title type='text'>Are the religious more generous?</title><content type='html'>It is common to see figures or claims that suggest that religious believers are more generous in terms of donations to charity than the non-religious. (One thing that often concerned me about such figures is that they generally include donations made to their church, which even when limited to money used for actually charitable purposes often have an ulterior motive - proselytization.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Today I saw a &lt;a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/g4iqh/disregard_god_and_war_acquire_then_give_away/"&gt;post&lt;/a&gt; in reddit's &lt;a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism"&gt;r/atheism&lt;/a&gt; that pointed to this information on Red Cross donations by country:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_red_cro_don-health-red-cross-donations"&gt;http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_red_cro_don-health-red-cross-donations&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Curious about potential drivers of the figures, I decided to try to adjust for GDP, so I got the GDP (PPP) figures from here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_ppp-economy-gdp-ppp&lt;br /&gt;"&gt;http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_ppp-economy-gdp-ppp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I then divided the Red Cross donations by millions of dollars of GDP to give dollars donated per million dollars GDP, a kind of "generosity" measure in a rough sense (a better measure would reflect donations per "spare" dollar after basic needs). I discovered a down-trend of log-generosity against log-GDP (richer countries donate a somewhat smaller proportion on average). Wondering about other drivers, I then took the irreligion figures from here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_by_country"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_by_country&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(specifically, the 2007-8 Gallup figures, which uses the very broad definition implied by the question "Is religion important?" - and I used those figures because they covered the most countries) and plotted log-generosity against the irreligion percentage figures, which give this plot:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-c9KWlrdlsfs/TYAjrZf06aI/AAAAAAAAATE/Y_KuD2SlZMM/s1600/rcpigen.png"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[The blue curve is a &lt;i&gt;lowess&lt;/i&gt; smooth of the relationship, with &lt;I&gt;f&lt;/i&gt; = 0.9]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And what do we find? &lt;I&gt;In spite of the fact that this measure of generosity decreases with GDP&lt;/I&gt;, this measure of generosity increases with the percentage of people who see religion is unimportant. Is this the whole story? No - there's all sorts of other things that could be adjusted for.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But it certainly doesn't support the usual story - and if anything, suggests the opposite. There's at least some suggestion here that maybe it goes the other way.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-4668437330303389065?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/4668437330303389065/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=4668437330303389065' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4668437330303389065'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4668437330303389065'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2011/03/are-religious-more-generous.html' title='Are the religious more generous?'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-c9KWlrdlsfs/TYAjrZf06aI/AAAAAAAAATE/Y_KuD2SlZMM/s72-c/rcpigen.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-3850273461496787902</id><published>2011-03-16T13:07:00.002+11:00</published><updated>2011-03-16T13:19:57.789+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='science works bitches'/><title type='text'>Daylight observations of Venus with the naked eye</title><content type='html'>Near the end of January, I happened to be up just a while before dawn and saw Venus in a clear eastern sky, a little below a crescent moon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I had read that it was possible to see Venus in daylight, and a friend had photographed it in the western sky near sunset, so I figured that with the moon as a guide I should be able to work out where to look for it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I went back to bed and then tried again around 9 am (AEST), at which time it was close to directly overhead, and with the aid of binoculars and the moon as a cue I located Venus with a few minutes looking. Given the location, I could make it out very easily with the naked eye. I checked again every hour and found it almost immediately. It was still perfectly visible at 1pm, with the sun blazing overhead and Venus well into the western sky. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Myth confirmed!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-3850273461496787902?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/3850273461496787902/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=3850273461496787902' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/3850273461496787902'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/3850273461496787902'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2011/03/daylight-observations-of-venus-with.html' title='Daylight observations of Venus with the naked eye'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-4505814190541091275</id><published>2011-03-02T13:16:00.001+11:00</published><updated>2011-03-02T13:20:07.650+11:00</updated><title type='text'>I think Rule 34 may be wrong</title><content type='html'>I couldn't find any porn on the subject of Rule 34.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-4505814190541091275?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/4505814190541091275/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=4505814190541091275' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4505814190541091275'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4505814190541091275'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2011/03/i-think-rule-34-may-be-wrong.html' title='I think Rule 34 may be wrong'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-3506028986699540499</id><published>2010-11-20T19:58:00.003+11:00</published><updated>2010-11-21T10:16:50.588+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='r/atheism'/><title type='text'>reddit's r/atheism passes 100,000 subscribers</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/TOeRn1NhhzI/AAAAAAAAASw/lYOxtW2ruAY/s1600/rath_100k_sm.png"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 310px; height: 120px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/TOeRn1NhhzI/AAAAAAAAASw/lYOxtW2ruAY/s400/rath_100k_sm.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5541557979987412786" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Clocked over at around 8:20 am (GMT)]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;100,000 atheists (well, mostly atheists) in &lt;a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism"&gt;one forum&lt;/a&gt; makes for quite a lot of links, posting and discussion&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-3506028986699540499?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/3506028986699540499/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=3506028986699540499' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/3506028986699540499'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/3506028986699540499'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/11/reddits-ratheism-passes-100000.html' title='reddit&apos;s r/atheism passes 100,000 subscribers'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/TOeRn1NhhzI/AAAAAAAAASw/lYOxtW2ruAY/s72-c/rath_100k_sm.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-2486585121743653850</id><published>2010-11-06T00:26:00.007+11:00</published><updated>2010-11-06T01:39:15.249+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Human Development Index'/><title type='text'>Human Development Index ... and unbelief</title><content type='html'>Taking the newly released UN Human Development Index (HDI) figures from &lt;a href="http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/data/"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and percentage of unbelief figures from &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_by_country"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; (specifically, the Gallup figures), I decided to take a look at how they were related:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/TNQGRI4JtCI/AAAAAAAAASc/5IZmXnmqYUk/unbHDI2.png"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The green curve is a loess curve, which simply smooths the relationship to indicate the basic trend. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fact that HDI increases with Unbelief percentage does not mean that greater unbelief necessarily &lt;i&gt;causes&lt;/i&gt; greater HDI; the causality may run the other way, or both variables may be caused by some other variable, or there may be complicated feedback between the two variables, and probably several other causal factors (which is what I would imagine is the truth).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The identified countries, clockwise from top left, are United Arab Emirates, USA, Ireland, New Zealand, Australia, Norway, Sweden, Estonia, Azerbaijan, Mongolia, Vietnam, Zimbabwe, Dem.Rep.Congo.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-2486585121743653850?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/2486585121743653850/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=2486585121743653850' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/2486585121743653850'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/2486585121743653850'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/11/human-development-index-and-unbelief.html' title='Human Development Index ... and unbelief'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/TNQGRI4JtCI/AAAAAAAAASc/5IZmXnmqYUk/s72-c/unbHDI2.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-4910065115790570508</id><published>2010-11-03T17:19:00.008+11:00</published><updated>2010-11-06T00:52:38.210+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mathematics'/><title type='text'>We have a budding mathematician</title><content type='html'>(budding ... becaue that's how mathematicians reproduce, of course.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My daughter, who is in year three, was given the opportunity to enter the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Mathematics_Competition"&gt;Australian Mathematics Competition&lt;/a&gt; (which presently has kids from over 40 countries competing in it). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not everyone gets to enter; at her school it was only offered to the kids in the extension class.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;She got a distinction, which places her in the top 15% of her division (the year 3 and 4 students that entered). Pretty good going, I thought.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Edit: Turns out she was in the top 6% among the entrants in the competition, for her year and the year above.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;---&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe I actually competed in an early incarnation of the same competition way back when I was a school kid, in around year 10 - probably the first year it was offered in NSW, when it was called the Wales awards. (Assuming it's the same competition; in any case I got $40 in an account from the Wales bank, now Westpac. For me at the time that was a lot of money and I used it carefully - I didn't actually finish spending it until I went to university, nearly two and a half years later. I don't know if they still offer any cash.)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-4910065115790570508?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/4910065115790570508/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=4910065115790570508' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4910065115790570508'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4910065115790570508'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/11/we-have-budding-mathematician.html' title='We have a budding mathematician'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-7346353212743507780</id><published>2010-10-31T09:20:00.003+11:00</published><updated>2010-10-31T09:26:00.061+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheist blogroll'/><title type='text'>Atheist blogroll widget</title><content type='html'>I only just saw that Blogrolling.com is shutting down and that Mojoey's atheist blogroll &lt;a href="http://atheistblogroll.blogspot.com/"&gt;has been affected&lt;/a&gt;; he has some new (temporary) code up that will link to the list of blogs while he gets something new up.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If I get time today I'd put his new code in, but in any case I am putting this here to remind me that I need to do something about it, and to help promulgate the issue (if I didn't know, presumably some other people don't either).&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-7346353212743507780?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/7346353212743507780/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=7346353212743507780' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7346353212743507780'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7346353212743507780'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/10/atheist-blogroll-widget.html' title='Atheist blogroll widget'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-1446252552798566537</id><published>2010-10-27T09:16:00.001+11:00</published><updated>2010-10-27T09:32:45.883+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='posted-without-comment'/><title type='text'>La trahison des mages</title><content type='html'>&lt;img src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/TMdUAFaVJeI/AAAAAAAAASI/HWhKZTWOlCE/Ceci_nest_pas_une_pape.png" alt="Ceci n'est pas une pape."&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-1446252552798566537?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/1446252552798566537/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=1446252552798566537' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1446252552798566537'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1446252552798566537'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/10/la-trahison-des-mages.html' title='La trahison des mages'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/TMdUAFaVJeI/AAAAAAAAASI/HWhKZTWOlCE/s72-c/Ceci_nest_pas_une_pape.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-8164650142477838867</id><published>2010-10-26T10:31:00.003+11:00</published><updated>2010-10-26T10:35:35.344+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='smackdowns'/><title type='text'>This is what a smackdown looks like</title><content type='html'>Over at Dear Coke Talk blog, coketalk has on occasion delivered some epic smackdowns.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Take a look at &lt;a href="http://www.dearcoketalk.com/post/1400659416/on-sam-harris-and-logical-fallacy"&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt;, where &lt;I&gt;every&lt;/i&gt; sentence someone wrote to her has been linked to the wikipedia page of a logical fallacy it invokes. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ouch.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-8164650142477838867?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/8164650142477838867/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=8164650142477838867' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8164650142477838867'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8164650142477838867'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/10/this-is-what-smackdown-looks-like.html' title='This is what a smackdown looks like'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-7338769934019518941</id><published>2010-10-23T19:26:00.015+11:00</published><updated>2010-10-26T10:30:59.704+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='faith'/><title type='text'>Is faith a reliable way to find religious truths?</title><content type='html'>A response to "I just have faith."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By faith here we mean religious faith of course - which is related to the meaning of faith as something like "belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence" (one of the meanings of faith) rather than the kind of faith that is confidence that arises &lt;i&gt;because&lt;/i&gt; of reason or material evidence (a different meaning of faith). Beware equivocational imitations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;I&gt;Is faith a reliable way to find religious truths?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While we ponder that question, look at this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/TMKrgBpxU-I/AAAAAAAAARw/ugJvfk4Hp-E/ReligAdherPct05.png"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If the answer is yes, how, then, it is the case that more theists in the world think Christianity is false than think it is true &amp;mdash; surely faith, if it is a &lt;i&gt;reliable&lt;/i&gt; path to truth, would overwhelmingly lead people of faith to truth?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Either faith isn't a reliable way to find truth - and so we should not rely on religious faith to discover what's true &lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;or&lt;/i&gt;&lt;BR&gt;the truth that most people are led to by faith is that Christianity is false.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Aside: I'm not making an argumentum as populum here - I'm showing a consequence of the premise of &lt;i&gt;reliability&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The same argument works for any religion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Any consequences for the old argument about "different ways of knowing" is left as an exercise for the reader.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-7338769934019518941?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/7338769934019518941/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=7338769934019518941' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7338769934019518941'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7338769934019518941'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/10/is-faith-reliable-way-to-find-religious.html' title='Is faith a reliable way to find religious truths?'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/TMKrgBpxU-I/AAAAAAAAARw/ugJvfk4Hp-E/s72-c/ReligAdherPct05.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-8952921615255599397</id><published>2010-10-21T10:45:00.003+11:00</published><updated>2010-10-21T10:50:10.880+11:00</updated><title type='text'>Financial advice</title><content type='html'>A guy with a gun, a really good plan and a bit of luck might steal a hundred thousand dollars.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To steal a billion dollars, he has to swap the gun for a briefcase.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-8952921615255599397?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/8952921615255599397/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=8952921615255599397' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8952921615255599397'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8952921615255599397'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/10/financial-advice.html' title='Financial advice'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-6800572487305375517</id><published>2010-10-21T09:52:00.006+11:00</published><updated>2010-10-21T10:40:40.772+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='education'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='politics'/><title type='text'>And the Christian Lobby goes ballistic about ethics classes... again</title><content type='html'>This morning on breakfast-news TV* there was discussion of the ethics class issue, between a representative from the NSW Council of Churches and another fellow whose affiliation I didn't catch but I presume to be representing the St. James Centre - the group that designed the syllabus for the ethics class trial. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*(this was on ABC2 - the ABC is basically a government-owned but editorially independent national broadcaster - their breakfast news and current affairs coverage is substantially more serious than on the commercial networks, which tend to be more like the US network-style breakfast programs - a glossy entertainment magazine of celebrities, diets and other ephemera)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, the guy from the Council of Churches was pretty upset that the government was going to go ahead and implement the recommendations, but his central objection was telling. He stated that the biggest problem was that the students *currently* getting religious instruction ("scripture class") *would have the option to take the ethics class*. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That's right - he was objecting primarily to parents having the choice, if their child was currently going to religious classes. But he didn't actually explain why the choice was bad.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why is this? Well, the problem was he couldn't raise a serious objection to the kids not currently in religious classes having the choice of attending the ethics class instead of doing nothing (though he did attack the content of the syllabus also) - the interviewer asked him specifically what objection he could raise to then having the choice. So he was only left with the fact that the kids not already sitting out the various forms of available religious instruction would be able to choose to opt for ethics classes as well. [The church lobbhy have even argued at one point that the kids in religious classes would &lt;i&gt;miss out on instruction in ethics&lt;/i&gt; (!) ... oops. Er, no, we didn't mean to say we don't teach that.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This choice is a problem for the churches. While about 20% of Australians list no religion on the census, many of the ones in NSW still have their children attend school religious classes for a variety of reasons. There is also an even larger group that do have a nominal religion and list it on the census (i.e. they list whatever religion ran the religious class they attended themselves when &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; were children, which would have been the church one of their parents actually attended at some point) - these "nominally religious" people do send their kids to religious instruction - but many of them would choose not to if there was a serious alternative.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Provided sufficient volunteers can be found to run the ethics classes, this could easily halve the attendance at religious instruction (it's what they feared before the trial began, and it's what actually happened). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hardly anyone actually goes to church any more (to my recollection, something like 10% of Australians attend church more than twice a year, other than weddings and funerals - and most weddings and funerals aren't even held in churches any more). Apart from that core, the rest of the kids are "up for grabs", and they know parents will vote with their feet.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sundary school is largely a wasteland. The religious classes are, for many, the &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; place the churches have to get their hooks in... so they're hanging on for dear life to the one really solid free shot at impressionable minds they've got - an advantage they've had entrenched in legislation for 150 years now. The legislation won't change, but for the first time there will be an alternative to religious instruction for those who opt out of religious class, and many, many more are going to take that option.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They're afraid (and they made that quite clear) that &lt;i&gt;free choice&lt;/i&gt; will mean an even more rapid demise than they're experiencing now. And they're doing whatever it takes to make sure that doesn't happen. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;Hell hath no fury like a vested interest masquerading as a moral principle&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-6800572487305375517?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/6800572487305375517/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=6800572487305375517' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/6800572487305375517'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/6800572487305375517'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/10/and-christian-lobby-goes-ballistic.html' title='And the Christian Lobby goes ballistic about ethics classes... again'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-2196850122256647251</id><published>2010-10-20T12:59:00.007+11:00</published><updated>2010-10-21T09:52:03.279+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='government'/><title type='text'>Finally - a real alternative to religious classes</title><content type='html'>The report on the trial of ethics classes in ten NSW schools has come in with a recommendation to adopt the ethics classes alternative model used in the trial.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;News story is &lt;a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/labor-to-defy-churches-ethics-classes-likely-to-start-next-year-20101019-16sl0.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Edit: broken link above now repaired)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristina_Keneally"&gt;Premier&lt;/a&gt; had already said if the report recommended adoption, that it would be implemented, it looks like it will go ahead next year. On top of the same-sex-couple adoption legislation (her &lt;a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/09/01/kristina-keneallys-speech-on-same-sex-adoption/"&gt;speech&lt;/a&gt;), this will make another worthy achievement for her (nevertheless still doomed) government. Keneally will go down at the next election, but if she manages this, I will certainly remember her as having had a number of very worthwhile achievement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's worth noting that Keneally is a Catholic, and has an MA in religious studies from a US Catholic university (she was born in and grew up in the US).&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-2196850122256647251?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/2196850122256647251/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=2196850122256647251' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/2196850122256647251'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/2196850122256647251'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/10/finally-real-alternative-to-religious.html' title='Finally - a real alternative to religious classes'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-4016473855375853319</id><published>2010-10-20T12:38:00.003+11:00</published><updated>2010-10-20T13:10:10.060+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religion'/><title type='text'>Thankfully, someone is keeping a watch on those very scary atheists...</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://atheistwatch.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Someone&lt;/a&gt; is very worried.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's all red because atheists are dangerous and &lt;I&gt;must be watched&lt;/I&gt;. Or &lt;I&gt;something will happen&lt;/I&gt;!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-4016473855375853319?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/4016473855375853319/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=4016473855375853319' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4016473855375853319'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4016473855375853319'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/10/thankfully-someone-is-keeping-watch-on.html' title='Thankfully, someone is keeping a watch on those very scary atheists...'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-4475530190120001378</id><published>2010-08-05T13:40:00.008+10:00</published><updated>2010-11-10T09:22:41.388+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='geocentrism'/><title type='text'>An increasingly realistic God's Eye View of the Bible</title><content type='html'>"Inspired" by &lt;a href="http://obviousmag.org/en/archives/2009/07/the_bible_seen_from_outer_space.html"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/br&gt; (I couldn't help but think "why would God be in Low Earth Orbit?!")&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/TFoz8R02q3I/AAAAAAAAAQ0/6nsH8BoZd1Q/s512/crossingred.jpg"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/br&gt;The crossing of the Red Sea&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/TFo3KW1blQI/AAAAAAAAARg/DCwLy4d_RSM/cruci2.jpg"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/br&gt;The crucifixion&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/TFoz9uJmHPI/AAAAAAAAARM/8JKZKhS8v8o/s512/Noah.jpg"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/br&gt;Noah's Ark after the Deluge&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/TFoz9barL-I/AAAAAAAAARE/jdP40xe0m4w/s512/eden.jpg"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/br&gt;Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden (look closely!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Update: something vaguely similar that I quite enjoyed is &lt;a href="http://imgur.com/9TH7q.jpg"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/e30c5/a_few_of_gods_favorite_things/"&gt;source&lt;/a&gt; ) - okay the last panel is speculative, but still it's well done.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-4475530190120001378?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/4475530190120001378/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=4475530190120001378' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4475530190120001378'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4475530190120001378'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/08/increasingly-realistic-gods-eye-view-of.html' title='An increasingly realistic God&apos;s Eye View of the Bible'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/TFoz8R02q3I/AAAAAAAAAQ0/6nsH8BoZd1Q/s72-c/crossingred.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-4413254494182712563</id><published>2010-07-30T10:31:00.018+10:00</published><updated>2010-07-30T15:39:25.143+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='education'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='survey'/><title type='text'>Science literacy in Australia and the US</title><content type='html'>A &lt;a href="http://www.fasts.org/images/News2010/science%20literacy%20report%20final%20270710.pdf"&gt;survey&lt;/a&gt; (pdf) commissioned by the &lt;a href="http://www.fasts.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=1"&gt;Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies&lt;/a&gt; of Australian science literacy has somewhat mixed results.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Update: See also an ABC News (Australia) report on it &lt;a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/30/2968669.htm"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. )&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The report on the survey, which was conducted just over a week ago by Auspoll, seems show some disturbing results, though others are mildly encouraging.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example, 30% of Australians think humans and dinosaurs coexisted, and 39% don't realize it takes a year for the Earth to orbit the Sun. On the other hand, I found that 13% of people knew that 3% of the world's water was fresh surprisingly high.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The survey replicates a &lt;a href="http://www.calacademy.org/newsroom/releases/2009/scientific_literacy.php"&gt;survey&lt;/a&gt; conducted in 2009 by Harris Interactive for the California Academy of Sciences. The press release (which contains all the information I can find online) only describes a brief subset of the results, but I have compared everything I have information on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Steve Novella &lt;a href="http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=497"&gt;commented on the US survey&lt;/a&gt; last year; his questions and criticisms would apply to both surveys.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;I&gt;&lt;B&gt;Summary of the results of the Australian poll&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/B&gt; (correct answers underlined):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;pre&gt;Q1: &lt;B&gt;&lt;I&gt;How long does it take for the Earth to go around the Sun?&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/B&gt;&lt;br /&gt; One Year: &lt;u&gt;61&lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  One Day: 28&lt;br /&gt;One Month:  2&lt;br /&gt; One Week:  1&lt;br /&gt; Not Sure:  8&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Q2: &lt;B&gt;&lt;I&gt;Is the following statement true or false? The earliest humans lived at the same time as dinosaurs.&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/B&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   False: &lt;u&gt;70&lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    True: 30&lt;br /&gt;Not Sure:  0&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Q3: &lt;B&gt;&lt;I&gt;What percentage of the Earth’s surface is covered by water?&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/B&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  0-25% :  0&lt;br /&gt; 26-50% :  2&lt;br /&gt; 51-60% :  4&lt;br /&gt; 61-69% :  9 &lt;br /&gt;    70% : &lt;u&gt;41&lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt; 71-80% : 33&lt;br /&gt; 81-100%:  6&lt;br /&gt;Not Sure:  6&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Q4: &lt;B&gt;&lt;I&gt;What percentage of the Earth’s water is fresh water?&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/B&gt;&lt;br /&gt;      0%  0&lt;br /&gt;      1%  5&lt;br /&gt;      2%  5&lt;br /&gt;      3% &lt;u&gt;13&lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  4%-10% 23&lt;br /&gt; 11%-25% 19&lt;br /&gt; 26%-50%  9&lt;br /&gt; 51%-60%  3&lt;br /&gt; 61%-70%  1&lt;br /&gt; 71%-80%  0&lt;br /&gt;81%-100%  0&lt;br /&gt;Not sure 22&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Q5: &lt;B&gt;&lt;I&gt;Do you think that evolution is occurring?&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/B&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, I think evolution is currently occurring:       &lt;u&gt;71&lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No, I do not think evolution is currently occurring:  8&lt;br /&gt;No, I do not believe in evolution:                   10&lt;br /&gt;Not Sure:                                            11&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Q6: &lt;B&gt;&lt;I&gt;Do you think that humans are influencing the evolution of other species?&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/B&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, I think humans are influencing the evolution of other species:       &lt;u&gt;77&lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No, I do not think humans are influencing the evolution of other species:  7&lt;br /&gt;No, I do not believe in evolution:                                         9&lt;br /&gt;Not Sure:                                                                  7&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Q7: &lt;B&gt;&lt;I&gt;In your opinion, how important is science education to the Australian economy?&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/B&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Absolutely essential: 42&lt;br /&gt;Very important:       38&lt;br /&gt;Somewhat important:   16&lt;br /&gt;Not at all important:  2&lt;br /&gt;Not Sure:              2&lt;/pre&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One &lt;I&gt;highly&lt;/i&gt; amusing outcome of this survey is that even though &lt;I&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; 71% of people think "evolution is currently occurring", &lt;B&gt;77%&lt;/B&gt; think that "humans are influencing the evolution of other species". Presumably at least six percent of people think humans are affecting evolution &lt;I&gt;while isn't happening&lt;/i&gt;. The cognitive dissonance must be astounding.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's the corresponding information I was able to pull out of the Calacademy press release: &lt;/br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- 53% of adults know how long it takes for the Earth to revolve around the Sun.&lt;/br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- 59% of adults know that the earliest humans and dinosaurs did not live at the same time&lt;/br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- 47% of adults can approximate (within 5%) the percent of the Earth's surface that is covered with water.&lt;/br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- 15% of respondents answered this question with the exactly correct answer of 70%&lt;/br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Less than 1% of U.S. adults know what percent of the planet's water is fresh (the correct answer is 3%).&lt;/br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Science eduction: Essential or Very Important to the US economy: 77%&lt;/br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Calacademy press release didn't mention the evolution questions, but we can do a comparison with another Harris Interactive poll (&lt;a href="http://www.harrisinteractive.com/vault/Harris-Interactive-Poll-Research-BBC-Darwin-2009-02.pdf&lt;br /&gt;"&gt;pdf&lt;/a&gt;) which suggests that rates of "do not believe in evolution" and "not sure" in Question 5 above are about half of the equivalent rates in the US, roughly consistent with other figures I have seen. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's a graphic showing a comparison of the corresponding the percentage of correct answers from the two surveys on Questions 1-4 and the percentage rating science education as "essential" or "very important" for the national economy:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/TFI5fk-xBiI/AAAAAAAAAQw/SJq9GMdR5aY/survcomp.png"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Graphic generated in the free statistical package &lt;a href="http://www.r-project.org/"&gt;&lt;B&gt;R&lt;/B&gt;&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Australia is outperforming the US (pretty handily on some questions), but that may not be saying a whole lot.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-4413254494182712563?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/4413254494182712563/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=4413254494182712563' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4413254494182712563'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4413254494182712563'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/07/science-literacy-in-australia-and-us.html' title='Science literacy in Australia and the US'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/TFI5fk-xBiI/AAAAAAAAAQw/SJq9GMdR5aY/s72-c/survcomp.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-7660883288373346712</id><published>2010-07-19T14:16:00.013+10:00</published><updated>2010-07-19T16:30:53.065+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='education'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='evolution'/><title type='text'>The fruits of accomodationism?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/07/flashy_graphic_illustration_of.php"&gt;PZ&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2010/07/17/selective-creationists/"&gt;Jerry Coyne&lt;/a&gt; have both discussed the PLOS paper on a survey of high school biology teachers in the US.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The graphic I want to discuss is here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/TEPSv1F_9kI/AAAAAAAAAPk/K4p4kdjn3ZU/high-school-vs-public.jpg"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If we remove those who failed to express an opinion (the same in both surveys - 9%) we can do a "triangle plot" or &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ternary_plot"&gt;Ternary plot&lt;/a&gt;, showing the three other percentages:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/TEPtpF65RDI/AAAAAAAAAQM/PDWCt9dnkig/mytriplot.png"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On this plot, moving up is "more creationism", moving (roughly) southwest is "more acceptance of evolution" and moving southeast is "more acceptance of ID".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We see that the general public (in blue) and the high school biology teachers (red) are not in the same place. We can't from this tell for sure whether it's the training of biology teachers and the materials and curricula that they have to work with that makes a difference or whether those who might become biology teachers are &lt;I&gt;a priori&lt;/i&gt; different from the rest of the population, but numerous anecdotes (which attest to the fact that education does change people's opinions) suggest that training and the teacher's available teaching materials (like textbooks and so on) and curricula will have a substantial impact on what positions they will endorse. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful motivator.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since training at a university level will generally tend to be based directly on evolution rather than be ID-oriented, while school-level teaching materials and curricula will tend to be more influenced by (for example) NCSE policy, one has to wonder at the overall effect of the two.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If we attribute the shift between the red and the blue points largely to effects other than pre-disposition, we must say that these have produced a shift away from Creationism... but not even slightly shifted toward the position of actual biological science relative to ID. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The suggestion that I take away from this is that this may be in part to the effectively accomodationist stances of influential organizations like the NCSE - by openly tolerating, sometimes even advocating unscientific positions like ID (that God "guides evolution", rather than the scientific position of evolution operating by natural selection, sexual selection, genetic drift and so on is basically ID), they merely succeed in replacing one load of unscientific nonsense with another.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is not science education.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Enough with accomodationism. Let's advocate actual science, and get everyone's favourite god(s) out of biology class.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even though I am in Australia, this sort of thing has particular relevance for me because the Australian school curriculum in under review right now... and while the science curriculum is safe, look what's in the senior History curriculum:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;pre&gt;UNIT 2A, pg 8&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Controversies&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Students develop their historical skills in an investigation of TWO of the following controversial issues:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; a) human origins (e.g. Darwin’s theory of evolution and its critics).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; b) dating the past (e.g. radio-carbon dating, tracing human migrations using DNA)&lt;br /&gt;...&lt;/pre&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yep. Maybe if we looked at the controversy &lt;i&gt;itself&lt;/i&gt; as historical, this would count as 19th century history. But this is the &lt;i&gt;Ancient&lt;/i&gt; History curriculum... as if human origins and radio-carbon dating are actually substantially in doubt &lt;i&gt;now&lt;/i&gt; as being useful for informing us about the past - as if we don't really know these things quite well, and as if actual human origins (and carbon dating, for crying out loud) were at issue. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If these are controversies, why not look at the flat earth/round earth controvery, and while we're at it, germ theory too?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think accomodationism is poisoning our education, by trying to make us accept as equally reasonable points of view that have nothing to do with the actual science. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think it's insidious. I think it ruins everything it touches. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If it doesn't work, &lt;i&gt;try something else&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's an idea - why don't we try NOT being accomodationist for a decade or so. Try &lt;i&gt;actually insisting on science as science&lt;/i&gt; - no holds barred. Actually advocate for science. Insist that we teach the accepted scientific positions (and even the parts where there's some actual &lt;i&gt;scientific&lt;/i&gt; disagreement if you like) &lt;i&gt;as is&lt;/i&gt;. Without trying to fit in everyone's pet unscientific ideas  as well, just because it makes them feel all warm-and-fuzzy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's see what happens.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-7660883288373346712?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/7660883288373346712/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=7660883288373346712' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7660883288373346712'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7660883288373346712'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/07/fruits-of-accomodationism.html' title='The fruits of accomodationism?'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/TEPSv1F_9kI/AAAAAAAAAPk/K4p4kdjn3ZU/s72-c/high-school-vs-public.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-259547223310333576</id><published>2010-07-17T12:23:00.006+10:00</published><updated>2010-07-17T20:06:10.621+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Too old for Santa</title><content type='html'>&lt;table border="0" cellspacing="5" cellpadding="5" style="text-align:center;background-color:black;color:black;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt; 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telling a small child there's no Santa.&lt;br&gt;It's like telling an &lt;i&gt;adult&lt;/i&gt; there's no Santa.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    &lt;td&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    &lt;td&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  &lt;/tr&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-259547223310333576?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/259547223310333576/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=259547223310333576' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/259547223310333576'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/259547223310333576'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/07/too-old-for-santa.html' title='Too old for Santa'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/TEGAIM4n_AI/AAAAAAAAAPc/xvkpCzOdLmY/s72-c/oldsanta_L.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-8018239039875749534</id><published>2010-07-09T12:32:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2010-07-09T12:47:45.738+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='debate'/><title type='text'>Banging my head on yet another brick in the wall, part III - debating theists</title><content type='html'>I've had some ongoing health issues and some additional illnesses - I'm still somewhat invalid, and as a result my brain really hasn't been up to much intellectual work. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So instead I've had a number of discussions with theists.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many of those discussions have had a somewhat similar character, and one in particular sums the whole experience up. This is a brief summary of the course of that typical case.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At the beginning, in response to a comment I made about modern apologetics, a very pleasant theist (let's call him Michael) tells me that William Lane Craig is a "really clever guy" with "persuasive arguments", and I "really should read his book" (they generally mean &lt;i&gt;Reasonable Faith&lt;/i&gt;, but sometimes it's another book).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I respond that while I haven't read his book, I have seen video of him debating, and I have seen detailed reviews of his book that discuss some of Craig's arguments and I have had some of his arguments presented to me before, and that I am inclined to doubt the assertion that Craig's arguments are actually very persuasive.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I ask Michael to present to me what he thinks of as one of Craig's best arguments. His response is "the Kalam Cosmological argument".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, let's leave aside the fact that he only named the argument, he didn't actually present it - but instead left &lt;I&gt;me&lt;/i&gt; to find the argument (I've seen it before, so it wasn't all that hard to find again, but I find it interesting how I always seem to get left with all the heavy lifting in these things - I have to locate the argument, check that this is really what my opponent means and then explain why it's wrong). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Let's &lt;I&gt;also&lt;/i&gt; leave aside the fact that the Kalam scholars were busy establishing the existence of the god of Mohammad, not the Christian god of the New Testament that Michael worshipped. If his argument went through I wasn't going to make him change religions.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So anyway, I present Michael's argument to him and he says, yes, that's completely convincing, the conclusion definitely follows form the premises and the premises are "obviously true".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I take him carefully through an analysis of the premises. Fortunately my correspondent is an extremely honest debater, so this only takes us &lt;i&gt;several days&lt;/i&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Long story short - he ultimately agrees that in fact the premises consist of multiple sub-premises, not all explicitly stated, &lt;i&gt;and that none of the sub-premises are actually established&lt;/i&gt;. Not one. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Indeed, he comes to agree that at best one of them is "probably true", and is reduced to arguing that the other premise is "not &lt;i&gt;definitely&lt;/i&gt; established to be false". &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After some prompting he agrees that yes, he does actually need to have them both be "definitely true" before he can try to apply the argument, and that's not the case.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So Michael's choice of "best argument" from Craig turns out to be a house of cards. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We end the discussion amicably. Michael departs with the suggestion that I still go read Craig's book "because some of his &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; arguments are really good". &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I can't clearly apprehend quite &lt;i&gt;how&lt;/i&gt; the cognitive dissonance doesn't make his brain explode into pink mist, but I am satsified that at least (given hours of effort and an honest counterpart), I can actually show one person that &lt;i&gt;one&lt;/i&gt; of their "best" arguments for god isn't an argument at all. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(I have come to find that this is about as good an outcome as any such discussion is going to get.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, at least slightly satisfied, I return to the discussion from where our little debate originated. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What do I find? &lt;i&gt;Another&lt;/i&gt; earnest Christian telling me that I "should read the book by William Lane Craig" and that it has "really good arguments".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I resist the temptation to spend several more days - if I am lucky - removing &lt;i&gt;just one&lt;/i&gt; item from this new guy's list of "really good arguments".&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-8018239039875749534?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/8018239039875749534/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=8018239039875749534' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8018239039875749534'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8018239039875749534'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/07/banging-my-head-on-yet-another-brick-in.html' title='Banging my head on yet another brick in the wall, part III - debating theists'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-2998488969754604185</id><published>2010-05-21T12:59:00.006+10:00</published><updated>2010-05-21T13:46:43.992+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Time is short, so ... Mohammad... in a sandstorm</title><content type='html'>Time is short (well already gone here, to be honest), and I can't draw all that well. But on the other hand I'm not planning to let everyone else take the flak for this protest alone.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/S_X3k2rMWvI/AAAAAAAAAO4/EAzDMGP10qY/s1600/des.png"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 140px; height: 180px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/S_X3k2rMWvI/AAAAAAAAAO4/EAzDMGP10qY/s400/des.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5473553134662736626" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mohammad - in a sandstorm&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think he's looking very prophetic. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Edit: I think Greta Christina covers &lt;a href="http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2010/05/why-im-drawing-mohammad.html"&gt;the reasons why this matters&lt;/a&gt; pretty well.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     (\|:{&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-2998488969754604185?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/2998488969754604185/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=2998488969754604185' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/2998488969754604185'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/2998488969754604185'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/05/time-is-short-so-heres-mohammad-in.html' title='Time is short, so ... Mohammad... in a sandstorm'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/S_X3k2rMWvI/AAAAAAAAAO4/EAzDMGP10qY/s72-c/des.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-8304649986587980210</id><published>2010-04-05T12:54:00.009+10:00</published><updated>2010-05-14T11:06:13.312+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='evolution'/><title type='text'>Human Brain Evolution - a clear kink</title><content type='html'>Jerry Coyne has discussed human brain size evolution a couple of times recently, the latest one &lt;a href="http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2010/04/03/more-on-the-evolution-of-human-brain-size/"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, I grabbed the data from Lee and Wolpoff (2003) ("The pattern of evolution in Pleistocene human brain size", &lt;I&gt;Paleobiology&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;B&gt;29&lt;/B&gt;(2), 2003, pp. 186–196), read it into R and looked at log brain size (since linear trend on the log scale corresponds to constant percentage growth). If there was a sudden jump in growth rate, it should show as a kink.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I then used the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_regression"&gt;lowess&lt;/a&gt; function (which is a form of locally-linear regression) in R to smooth the data, to hopefully identify any such kinks and see where they fell. I used the default value of the smoothing parameter (&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;f = 2/3&lt;/span&gt;). I then tried a range of other &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;f&lt;/span&gt;-values, and all values between roughly 0.5 and 0.8 (a fairly wide range, so the conclusion is robust to the smoothing parameter) give very similar-looking fits, and a clear kink at the same x-value:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/S7mnM4aHhtI/AAAAAAAAAOs/GSkuf6reApY/s1600/LWBrainEvP1.png"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 399px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/S7mnM4aHhtI/AAAAAAAAAOs/GSkuf6reApY/s400/LWBrainEvP1.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5456576263278266066" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The smooth shown in green here is for &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;f = 0.8&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(&lt;font size=-2&gt;&lt;I&gt;Click the image for a larger version&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/font&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With this analysis, the kink plainly appears at 300 thousand years ago (but the ages of the observations are approximate and subsequently rounded).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There does seem to have been a substantial acceleration in growth in brain volume approximately 300 thousand years ago.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Edit: Here's a &lt;a href="http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/09/fun-with-homini-1.html"&gt;link&lt;/a&gt; to a somewhat related article at Panda's Thumb from some years ago, based on a different paper. Much of the data is the same, but contains additional information.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-8304649986587980210?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/8304649986587980210/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=8304649986587980210' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8304649986587980210'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8304649986587980210'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/04/human-brain-evolution-clear-kink.html' title='Human Brain Evolution - a clear kink'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/S7mnM4aHhtI/AAAAAAAAAOs/GSkuf6reApY/s72-c/LWBrainEvP1.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-8274218180752124331</id><published>2010-04-03T20:18:00.009+11:00</published><updated>2010-04-04T12:44:54.234+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='aggression'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='double standard'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fail'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religion'/><title type='text'>The message of Easter must have been 'sink the boot into atheists'</title><content type='html'>This Easter a bunch of god-botherers in Australia have decided they needed to get out all that angst and tizzy they built up while the Global Atheist Convention was in Melbourne. Besides, there was all that child-raping-coverup stuff they needed to distract people from, and blood-libelling the poor old Jews every time you have a bit of trouble is out of fashion now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So the atheists have &lt;a href="http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/atheists-are-believers-who-hate-god-says-anglican-archbishop-peter-jensen/story-e6frfku0-1225848925206"&gt;copped&lt;/a&gt; some of the &lt;a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/thank-god-were-not-all-atheists-bishop-says-20100401-ri4q.html&lt;br /&gt;"&gt;vile crap&lt;/a&gt; we're &lt;a href="http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/australian-news/7013674/pell-praises-aussie-christian-values/"&gt;used to seeing&lt;/a&gt; from the crazy christian rump. And tha Australian media have done their usual &lt;a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/atheists-hit-back-at-clergy-criticism-of-nonbelief-20100402-rjmr.html"&gt;sterling job&lt;/a&gt; of reporting these things in a balanced, reasonable way (i.e. very badly indeed - that last was supposedly the "balancing" article describing the atheist response, but largely consists of far more theist quotes).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yesterday I pointed out to my partner that as galling as it was, it was actually kind of good for us, because the more reasonable believers who have come to know a few atheists and discovered we just &lt;i&gt;aren't&lt;/i&gt; the baby-eating nihilists we have been painted as will only be driven away even faster by this sort of rhetoric - it will hasten the demise of religion among the broader community, and become ever harder to claim any kind of moral authority when all that comes out of their mouths is hatred and lies. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If the Nielsen poll &lt;a href="http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/12/godless-creep-up-to-around-30-in.html"&gt;I pointed to late last year&lt;/a&gt; is accurate, and we combine with some information from the last census, the two largest religious denominations in Australia have recently become outnumbered by those that can't say they believe in god (20% and 26% for Anglicans and Catholics, compared with 30% who don't state a belief in god - and most of those - 24% are explicitly atheistic, choosing the option "don't believe in god".)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If anything, I expect these sort of attacks to become even more common for a while. And of course, the smaller the religions denominations become, the more radical the remainder must be, so I also expect it to get nastier.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bruce at Thinker's Podium has a &lt;a href="http://thinkerspodium.wordpress.com/2010/04/03/thankyou-mr-pell-mr-fisher-dr-jensen-2/"&gt;pretty good discussion&lt;/a&gt; and an interesting take from a somewhat similar perspective.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Barry Duke's article in &lt;a href="http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/04/03/clerics%E2%80%99-easter-message-atheists-are-stepping-up-their-assault-on-god/"&gt;the Freethinker&lt;/a&gt; is also worth looking at. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;Happy Easter! Don't forget Jesus died so you could hate atheists!&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-8274218180752124331?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/8274218180752124331/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=8274218180752124331' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8274218180752124331'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8274218180752124331'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/04/message-of-easter-must-have-been-sink.html' title='The message of Easter must have been &apos;sink the boot into atheists&apos;'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-4417596838881960403</id><published>2010-03-26T18:43:00.002+11:00</published><updated>2010-03-26T18:45:41.365+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='science'/><title type='text'>Australian Tyrannosaur</title><content type='html'>Well, the headline is overblown, but it's still interesting; I wouldn't have expected a &lt;a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/26/2856819.htm?section=justin"&gt;tyrannosaur would be found in Australia&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-4417596838881960403?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/4417596838881960403/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=4417596838881960403' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4417596838881960403'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4417596838881960403'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/03/australian-tyrannosaur.html' title='Australian Tyrannosaur'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-7147840026038759885</id><published>2010-03-15T19:39:00.004+11:00</published><updated>2010-03-26T18:42:55.953+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='convention'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheism'/><title type='text'>Finally, a report that isn't a hatchet-job</title><content type='html'>The coverage of the 2010 Global Atheists Convention in the Australian media has been generally appalling, full of the usual theist combination of stereotype, bile, and bafflement - "militant" this, "unhappy" that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, I was impressed to see one reasonably straightforward, in places even positive, report - which is unusual enough that I thought I'd &lt;a href="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/celebrating-life-beyond-belief/story-e6frg6z6-1225840634149"&gt;point to it&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-7147840026038759885?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/7147840026038759885/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=7147840026038759885' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7147840026038759885'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7147840026038759885'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/03/finally-report-that-isnt-hatchet-job.html' title='Finally, a report that isn&apos;t a hatchet-job'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-8154491680281070410</id><published>2010-03-09T19:20:00.002+11:00</published><updated>2010-03-09T19:23:22.693+11:00</updated><title type='text'>Hey I can read my blog again</title><content type='html'>First time is more than six months, I can actually read my blog when logged on as efrique.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Huzzah! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I didn't change anything before it stopped working, and I didn't change anything before it started working.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At least it's working again.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-8154491680281070410?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/8154491680281070410/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=8154491680281070410' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8154491680281070410'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8154491680281070410'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/03/hey-i-can-read-my-blog-again.html' title='Hey I can read my blog again'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-4198649037185331638</id><published>2010-02-26T17:38:00.003+11:00</published><updated>2010-02-26T17:45:27.053+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='crocoduck'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transitional forms'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fossils'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='abiogenesis'/><title type='text'>Crocoduck 0 - Crocadillo 1</title><content type='html'>This is just the &lt;A href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/26923726.html"&gt;cutest thing&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Interesting how "upright" the stance is, with the legs under the body rather than splayed. Some other land-dwelling crocodilian fossils seem to have that more mammal-like stance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;HR&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In other news, Scripps Institute scientists have advanced the study of abiogenesis, by putting together &lt;a href="http://religionvirus.blogspot.com/2010/02/evolution-breakthrough-pre-life.html"&gt;self-replicating ribozymes&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-4198649037185331638?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/4198649037185331638/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=4198649037185331638' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4198649037185331638'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4198649037185331638'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/02/crocoduck-0-crocadillo-1.html' title='Crocoduck 0 - Crocadillo 1'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-8972529040861716928</id><published>2010-02-17T18:47:00.004+11:00</published><updated>2010-02-17T18:58:23.630+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='thinking'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cliche'/><title type='text'>First, try thinking *inside* the box.</title><content type='html'>One of those phrases that drive me nuts is "think outside the box". A lot of the problem is that people don't bother to *think* "inside the box" (in the usual framework), particularly when it's repeated as a mantra (yesterday I heard someone say it to me three times in ten minutes .... gnnnhaaahhh, makes me stabby).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The problem isn't so much the box, its the &lt;i&gt;lack of thinking&lt;/i&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We have frameworks - ways of thinking about things - for a reason, and we should take advantage of them first. Then, maybe we should consider if the framework is the problem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You want an illustration of the emptiness of the concept "think outside the box"?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An obvious one is that rarely to people give you strategies for doing so*. Without it, "think outside the box" is pretty useless.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's a second one: the people exhorting you to "think outside the box" can't be bothered to think outside their framework for long enough to come up with a less hackneyed and overused phrase, thus illustrating that they are utterly unable to follow their own advice for the few minutes it would take to come up with a more interesting expression.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Think outside the box" is about as useful and as cliche as that poster of a kitten saying "Hang in there".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*(de Bono does have some exercises/approaches that are sometimes useful, sometimes not -- but he also doesn't say "think outside the box", thankfully)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-8972529040861716928?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/8972529040861716928/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=8972529040861716928' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8972529040861716928'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8972529040861716928'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/02/first-try-thinking-inside-box.html' title='First, try thinking *inside* the box.'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-1883674994759031773</id><published>2010-02-13T12:03:00.003+11:00</published><updated>2010-02-13T12:20:10.865+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='out of body experiences'/><title type='text'>Out of body experiences... interesting, but not mystical</title><content type='html'>The weekly TV science program on our national broadcaster, called &lt;a href="http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/"&gt;Catalyst&lt;/a&gt;, started its 2010 season on Thursday, and had an item on the various things that combine to produce &lt;a href="http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/2816872.htm"&gt;out of body experiences&lt;/a&gt; (I don't know if that video works outside Australia, but the transcript is there too).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The text there is only a fraction of the item on out of body experiences, they talked about what produces the feeling of floating up out of your body (showing how you can induce sensations of rotation and floating), and how you can identify your body as being somewhere other than it is, before talking about trying to actually produce an out of body experience.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[As usual I didn't watch the whole thing live (early evening is a hectic time in our house, so we record anything we actually don't want to miss). I'll give it a more careful look when I get to it, but what I saw of it was fascinating.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So anyway, the point was that out of body experiences are simple consequences of the way our body and brain work, and that it's not hard to reproduce many aspects of them. Nothing particularly mystical, and certainly not evidence for a soul.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-1883674994759031773?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/1883674994759031773/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=1883674994759031773' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1883674994759031773'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1883674994759031773'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/02/out-of-body-experiences-interesting-but.html' title='Out of body experiences... interesting, but not mystical'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-2795726952682260741</id><published>2010-01-29T14:43:00.008+11:00</published><updated>2010-01-29T15:15:45.324+11:00</updated><title type='text'>The God Delusion - English Language sales pass 2 million</title><content type='html'>In a thread related to the &lt;i&gt;The God Delusion&lt;/i&gt; being back in the bestseller lists, Richard Dawkins mentioned English language sales figures for &lt;I&gt;TGD&lt;/i&gt; (&lt;a href="http://richarddawkins.net/articles/5000#455619"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    How many have been sold in the USA?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As it happens, I have just been sent some recent figures for sales of The God Delusion in English:-&lt;br /&gt;North America 907,161&lt;br /&gt;Rest of World 1,179,241&lt;br /&gt;Total English language 2,086,402&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Another commenter mentions in excess of 260,000 sales for the German edition)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not bad.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-2795726952682260741?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/2795726952682260741/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=2795726952682260741' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/2795726952682260741'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/2795726952682260741'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/01/god-delusion-english-language-sales.html' title='The God Delusion - English Language sales pass 2 million'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-2277639998468614277</id><published>2010-01-23T18:19:00.002+11:00</published><updated>2010-01-24T02:36:11.577+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='comic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='polls'/><title type='text'>Polls</title><content type='html'>I just recently posted on &lt;a href="http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/12/how-to-mislead-others-for-sake-of.html"&gt;polls&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This &lt;a href="http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php?f=1271"&gt;comic&lt;/a&gt; kind of says it all.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-2277639998468614277?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/2277639998468614277/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=2277639998468614277' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/2277639998468614277'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/2277639998468614277'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/01/i-just-recently-posted-on-polls.html' title='Polls'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-8297533787142379103</id><published>2010-01-03T15:33:00.016+11:00</published><updated>2010-03-09T18:40:21.593+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='creationist objections'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fail'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='darwin'/><title type='text'>Darwin vs the crocoduck</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/S0BTeYybvNI/AAAAAAAAAOk/g-GeorpaaB4/s1600-h/crocoduck.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 350px; height: 263px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/S0BTeYybvNI/AAAAAAAAAOk/g-GeorpaaB4/s400/crocoduck.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5422425732869242066" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;A bit of fun. I do love &lt;i&gt;schadenfreude&lt;/i&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kirk Cameron on O'Reilly:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;"Darwin said in order to prove evolution [...] you gotta be able to prove [...] one animal transitioning into another. And all through the fossil record and life, we don't find one of these - a crocoduck."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(original &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az8k0uzQ6sA"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So did Darwin say that? Well, no. In fact, he &lt;i&gt;specifically debunks the notion&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Darwin, Origin of Species, Chapter IX:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;"... it should always be borne in mind what sort of intermediate forms must, on my theory, have formerly existed. I have found it difficult, when looking at any two species, to avoid picturing to myself forms &lt;/i&gt;directly&lt;i&gt; intermediate between them. But this is a wholly false view; we should always look for forms intermediate between each species and a common but unknown progenitor; and the progenitor will generally have differed in some respects from all its modified descendants."&lt;/i&gt;  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;font size="-1"&gt;(emphasis in the original)&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nothing more needs to be said. Darwin completely debunked Cameron and Comfort &lt;i&gt;150 years before they even thought of it&lt;/i&gt;. When you're pwnt by a guy that's been dead for about a century, you're too stupid to argue with. Just quote what Darwin &lt;i&gt;actually said&lt;/i&gt;, and you're done. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;font size="-1"&gt;[But just in case a creationist wanders by and is too dumb to just read Darwin, it's kind of like this. If I find you and your cousin and I'm looking for an intermediate form to see if you're related, I won't find a &lt;i&gt;direct&lt;/i&gt; intermediate (a 50-50 mix of you and your cousin, or even worse, a Frankenstein's monster of components of both of you, like Cameron's crocoduck). The intermediate form is your nearest common ancestor -- your grandparents. Your grandparents will have characteristics different from both of you, and will not be directly intermediate. Not exactly like that, of course, the analogy is imperfect. But it's really not that complicated.]&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The only possible conclusions are that they never read Darwin, or they did and they're deliberately lying. Either way, we end up with creationist &lt;i&gt;lies&lt;/i&gt;. As usual. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To paraphrase Haldane, God must have an inordinate fondness for lying creationists, since he made so many of them.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-8297533787142379103?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/8297533787142379103/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=8297533787142379103' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8297533787142379103'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8297533787142379103'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/01/darwin-vs-crocoduck.html' title='Darwin vs the crocoduck'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/S0BTeYybvNI/AAAAAAAAAOk/g-GeorpaaB4/s72-c/crocoduck.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-1639973760630991407</id><published>2010-01-01T16:44:00.006+11:00</published><updated>2010-09-22T10:08:16.300+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='what shits me'/><title type='text'>A New Years "What shits me"...</title><content type='html'>What shits me is when people make a youtube video out of a piece of text.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If it's just a piece of text, make a fricking blogpost. I can read it ten times as fast as your video goes, and twenty times as fast as it will download. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I can jump back and forth instantly to the parts I want to reread. I can rescan a sentence I read that I didn't quite understand without reaching for the mouse.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh, and the comments will sound less like they were made by a 12 year old with Tourette's Syndrome.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you have an animation, or a sequence of images that's more than a second or two (too long for an animated gif), then by all means, youtube it. But if it's just a way of fancying up some text, and putting it to bad music, &lt;I&gt;forget it&lt;/i&gt;, it's a blogpost.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A youtube of a blogpost is a waste of time and bandwidth. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's the present day version of what 5 years ago would have been a 14-point-purple-comic-sans-in-blinking-text blogpost.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-1639973760630991407?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/1639973760630991407/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=1639973760630991407' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1639973760630991407'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1639973760630991407'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-years-what-shits-me.html' title='A New Years &quot;What shits me&quot;...'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-9062040863816162841</id><published>2009-12-28T12:13:00.005+11:00</published><updated>2009-12-28T12:33:31.636+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='biblical contradiction'/><title type='text'>A bit of biblical fun</title><content type='html'>I don't usually do the biblical bits here, but this one tickled me:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Jesus calls himself the Son of man (e.g. Matthew 16:24-28):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.&lt;br /&gt;For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.&lt;br /&gt;For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?&lt;br /&gt;For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.&lt;br /&gt;Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. Numbers (23:19) points out that he's therefore NOT God:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-9062040863816162841?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/9062040863816162841/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=9062040863816162841' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/9062040863816162841'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/9062040863816162841'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/12/bit-of-biblical-fun.html' title='A bit of biblical fun'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-8692898148399581624</id><published>2009-12-28T10:00:00.007+11:00</published><updated>2009-12-28T11:15:14.135+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='aggressive'/><title type='text'>My life is not a marketing exercise</title><content type='html'>I read so often from liberal theists, faitheists and people who want to frame science, that "aggressive" atheism is "hurting the cause" of atheism or reason or cute puppies, that it will convince nobody and turn off those we wish to convince.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These arguments are long on emotion and very short on evidence. They're also factually inaccurate (in that most so-called "aggressive" atheism is anything but aggressive).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My usual argument has been that not every atheist activity is about convincing others; in fact, hardly any of it, as far as I can see. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My life is not a marketing exercise. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But &lt;i&gt;sometimes&lt;/i&gt; it actually does impact those we criticize, and &lt;i&gt;sometimes&lt;/i&gt; they come to understand what we're getting at, whether that was the aim or not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have read a lot of deconversion stories and related discussion (hundreds by now). &lt;br /&gt;I have seen many times former theists say things along the lines of "Well, actually, I had my faith criticized and it wasn't &lt;i&gt;until that moment&lt;/i&gt; that I began to really think about my beliefs."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've seen comments like that on blogs, in forums, on youtube, yahoo answers and reddit. I saw another only this morning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not every deconversion of course - a lot of the time people start thinking about these things themselves, or the trigger to start down that road is something different. But quite a lot of the time, an aggressive challenge to someone's beliefs is actually effective in getting them to think about it. Yes, it will also annoy plenty of people - people don't like having cherished beliefs criticized. You have to pick your moments. But that doesn't mean it is automatically counterproductive. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Being likeable is not often a catalyst for change. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think being generally thought of as likeable is impossible. Atheists - unless we hide ourselves in a closet forever - will often be regarded as confrontational, simply for existing. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There's absolutely a place for people like &lt;a href="http://friendlyatheist.com/"&gt;Hemant Mehta&lt;/a&gt;, with those who seek to actively engage with the religious. More power to him. I think Hemant and people like him do a great deal of good, not only for atheism and reason, but for wider humanity. There's also a place for the louder, less compromising voices. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have &lt;i&gt;never once&lt;/i&gt; seen someone say "my former beliefs were respected and treated with deference - and &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; was what convinced me they were wrong".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why would it? How &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; it?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, if you want to work with theist allies in some other cause, be it gay marriage or proper health care or whatever, it might not be the occasion to critically discuss the truth of their beliefs, but to focus on the current priority. (On the other hand, it's probably never the time to agree to propositions you acually disagree with, or even to hold silent on them, simply for the sake of getting on.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think most atheists can manage the distinction between present priorities and longer term goals well enough.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But if we're &lt;i&gt;talking&lt;/i&gt; about reason and evidence and skepticism, attempting to promote them and spread them, it makes no sense at all to ignore the most egregious transgressions against them. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If we are trying to get people to critically examine their beliefs, it makes no sense to pat them on the head and tell them we think their crazy beliefs are just dandy. Freedom of belief is only that - to believe as you like. It doesn't mean freedom never to be called on those beliefs. It is not freedom from criticism. It is not freedom from questions. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our commitment to freedom of belief does not mean we must accept other people's fanstasies as perfectly valid, or that we must meekly hold our tongue when they're brought up. Indeed, we should not. The person you risk offending may also be the person you eventually goad into the line of thought that leads them to convincing themselves.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What could be better than people thinking for themselves?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-8692898148399581624?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/8692898148399581624/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=8692898148399581624' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8692898148399581624'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8692898148399581624'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/12/my-life-is-not-marketing-exercise.html' title='My life is not a marketing exercise'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-1172897652806089447</id><published>2009-12-27T09:38:00.009+11:00</published><updated>2009-12-27T10:12:12.803+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='journalism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='media'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='polls'/><title type='text'>How to mislead others for the sake of a zippier story</title><content type='html'>In which I spank Gallup's shiny arse a little, and maybe USA Today's&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wrote a much more detailed version of this post a couple of weeks ago, but my lameness resulted in me losing the whole damn file, and I didn't have time to rewrite... until now. This is not the same post. &lt;font size="-1"&gt;[&lt;i&gt;Couldn't remember The Greatest Post in the World, no, no. This is a tribute...&lt;/i&gt;]&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A couple of weeks ago, Gallup published a media release about its annual &lt;a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/124628/clergy-bankers-new-lows-honesty-ethics-ratings.aspx"&gt;Honesty and Ethics Ratings of Professions&lt;/a&gt; survey, USA Today had an &lt;a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-12-10-clergy-ethics-abuse_N.htm"&gt;article&lt;/a&gt; on it, and Hemant Mehta expressed &lt;a href="http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/12/11/clergy-ratings-hit-30-year-low-but/"&gt;puzzlement&lt;/a&gt; at the fact that while overall approval for clergy had gone down, it went up amongst the non-religious. In his words, "What. The. Hell?".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hemant quotes the USA Today article:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Ratings dropped year-over-year among Catholics and Protestants, as well as among regular and occasional churchgoers. However, they rose in one category: among those professing "no religion." Last year, 31% rated clergy honesty high or very high; in 2009, that figure inched up to 34%.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That came from Gallup's media release, where they published this graph, which deliberately sets out the comparison that was made in the USA Today article:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/gferyxmn3keu04w_qd3yzg.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 465px; height: 264px;" src="http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/gferyxmn3keu04w_qd3yzg.gif" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what gives? Why would it go up for the non-religious?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The most likely explanation is sampling variation. Gallup mention sampling variation, but in this case, that's just not enough.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Gallup says, hidden away down the bottom: &lt;blockquote&gt;"Results are based on telephone interviews with 1,017 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted Nov. 20-22, 2009. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even with this disclaimer, this doesn't make sufficiently clear the magnitude of the problem. That 4% is a little more than the 3% figure for the difference, so maybe we should be a little bit cautious about the three percent being real (and caution is all it would suggest, since if we scale back from 95% confidence to say 75% confidence, it would go below the three percent difference).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But it's much, much worse.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First thing to note is that the 4% sampling variation figure that Gallup give only applies to the overall figures. [By the usual calculations, I get 3% rather than 4%. I assume Gallup is inserting some additional margin of caution there, but it's nowehere near enough, as we'll see.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The 4% they give does NOT apply to percentages of subgroups. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There were about a thousand interviewed (1017). The proportion that are willing to give “no religion” for a question about their religion on a phone interview varies a bit, but it's generally around 10-15%. I can't tell what it was here, so let’s be generous to Gallup and say 15%.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That’s around 150 with no religion. The sampling variation for that subgroup is more than 2.5 times as big as it is for the original sample (sqrt(1017/150) times as big), or roughly 10% by Gallup’s reckoning of 4% for the original survey (their 4% is very rough so I am not worrying about being too precise - and I will err in Gallup's favour at each point).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, when you compare TWO surveys (31% vs 34%), the margin of error is bigger – if we can assume independence of the responses in the two surveys, you actually use good old Pythagoras’ theorem here. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So the &lt;i&gt;margin of error on the change between two surveys on this subgroup&lt;/i&gt; is around 14%.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;14%!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We have an increase of 3% &lt;i&gt;give or take 14%&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is no reason to assume anything happened at all. Maybe it went up, maybe it went down. We have &lt;I&gt;NO clue&lt;/I&gt;. No way to tell if anything happened at all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet Gallup &lt;i&gt;clearly invite precisely the comparison&lt;/i&gt; USA Today made, and Hemant ran with.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was irresponsible of Gallup not to point out that the comparison they made in the graph above had such a high margin of error that such comparison was meaningless. They should have pointed it out, or not made the comparison at all. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The disclaimer at the end is entirely insufficient. (And USA Today should have at least realized that even with a 4% margin of error their own comparison was at least a little dodgy, but you know, it's the media we're talking about. Probably didn't even read all the way to the bottom of the Gallup release. Take a look at approval figures for journalists some time.)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-1172897652806089447?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/1172897652806089447/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=1172897652806089447' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1172897652806089447'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1172897652806089447'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/12/how-to-mislead-others-for-sake-of.html' title='How to mislead others for the sake of a zippier story'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-3358128202120653101</id><published>2009-12-19T19:14:00.006+11:00</published><updated>2009-12-19T21:05:07.410+11:00</updated><title type='text'>Godless creep up to around 30% in Australia</title><content type='html'>A recent &lt;a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/our-faith-today-20091218-l5w6.html"&gt;Nielsen&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/we-believe-in-miracles-and-ufos-20091218-l5p8.html"&gt;survey&lt;/a&gt; in Australia on religious belief puts the number who don't believe in god at 24% and not sure/don't know at 6%. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The percentage of Christians is 64%, with other major faiths totalling around 5%.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The numbers are not changing rapidly, but disbelief is much higher among the young, so it looks like the numbers of nonbelievers will continue to grow, albeit slowly - census information from New Zealand shows that people &lt;i&gt;don't&lt;/i&gt; adopt religion faster than they leave it as a cohort ages, and there's nothing to suggest that this trend would be any different in Australia; that is, the overall percentage of nobelievers will likely be well in the majority in a few decades.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Belief in life after death is only 53%, and belief that the bible/quran/etc is the &lt;i&gt;word of god&lt;/i&gt; is only 34%.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But there were some worrying numbers, too, with Darwinian evolution not far in front of some form of "god guided" development (42% to 32%), and YE creationism coming in third, but with alarmingly high numbers (23%); in this case I'd particularly like to see the exact wording of the question that was put, because the numbers seem quite out of kilter; it would suggest that there are &lt;i&gt;very few theists&lt;/i&gt; (only about 20% or so of theists in all) who accept Darwinian evolution, assuming almost all nontheists do.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-3358128202120653101?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/3358128202120653101/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=3358128202120653101' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/3358128202120653101'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/3358128202120653101'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/12/godless-creep-up-to-around-30-in.html' title='Godless creep up to around 30% in Australia'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-7634387339362085477</id><published>2009-12-05T18:12:00.009+11:00</published><updated>2010-07-26T11:02:33.132+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religious belief'/><title type='text'>What evidence would it take to make you believe in god?</title><content type='html'>I've answered this question a lot lately. So I thought I'd put down how I am answering it - that way I can just point to a reasonable answer, instead of having to write one every time. I may polish it slightly over time, to clarify what I am getting at.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;So what evidence would it take to make me believe in god?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The short answer is "almost any evidence at all, if it meets a few criteria, and I know before we start what it is we're looking for evidence of".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's a longer version, slightly clarified from one I posted elsewhere to a question from a theist.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, let's agree on what phenomenon we're investigating:&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt; Which god are we discussing? What are its properties?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;LI&gt;what observations would rule out such a being?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is necessary because if its properties are undefined, how can *anything* constitute evidence for it? How would one distinguish between evidence for, evidence against and irrelevant information?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Given suitably clear answers to those, I will accept pretty much any evidence that's&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;sufficiently extraordinary to match the extraordinariness of the claimed god, &lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;sufficient to rule out alternate non-supernatural explanations, and also &lt;li&gt;sufficient to rule out alternative supernatural ones&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;i.e. any evidence sufficiently strong to convince me we found what we were looking for (rather than something else extraordinary or even ordinary), and that we're not just fooling ourselves or being fooled by someone or something else.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In other words, if you specify which god hypothesis we're proposing up front, and what evidence could rule the hypothesis out (otherwise it's an hypothesis without any explanatory value at all), I'll then be prepared to consider evidence for it. To cover all those bases, it will have to be multiple, pretty consistent pieces of evidence, but I won't limit it. Lots of things will do.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[One problem I often run into is that frequently the &lt;i&gt;theist asking the question&lt;/i&gt;'s concept of what constitutes &lt;i&gt;evidence&lt;/i&gt; is not what's normally regarded as actual evidence for a phenomenon at &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt;. Feelings aren't evidence, for example. Nor is popular opinion. Nor is "it's written in this book" really evidence, because not everything written in books is true. Historians have ways of becoming reasonably convinced of certain things having happened, rather than relying on statements in a single work of unclear providence.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Any real evidence. Almost anything that's demonstrably not just at some stage come out of people's heads.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;---&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now your turn, theists: What observation(s), if any, would convince you that your particular god doesn't exist?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-7634387339362085477?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/7634387339362085477/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=7634387339362085477' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7634387339362085477'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7634387339362085477'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/12/what-evidence-would-it-take-to-make-you.html' title='What evidence would it take to make you believe in god?'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-1437242848643802140</id><published>2009-12-05T10:04:00.004+11:00</published><updated>2009-12-05T17:31:45.051+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='faith'/><title type='text'>That offensive F-word</title><content type='html'>There's a word that I'm finding increasingly offensive, because people use it for dramatic effect rather than conveying meaning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The F-word.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The F-bomb, if you will.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No, I don't mean "fuck". Fuck's a very useful word, as noun, verb and expletive.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I mean "&lt;i&gt;faith&lt;/i&gt;".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You see, the problem is I see more and more two very different meanings of the word being conflated, using faith to refer to both making progress in the absence of complete, absolute knowledge &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; to refer to belief-in-the-absence-of-any-evidence-whatever. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That conflation, in turn, is used to equate the magnificent enterprise of extracting understanding out of the universe, and fuzzy-headed theological obscurantism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These mythomaniacal word-games are designed to mislead, to paper over the oxymoron.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That's what's offensive.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-1437242848643802140?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/1437242848643802140/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=1437242848643802140' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1437242848643802140'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1437242848643802140'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/12/that-offensive-f-word.html' title='That offensive F-word'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-1487599728863108258</id><published>2009-10-21T17:47:00.011+11:00</published><updated>2011-11-21T11:54:59.843+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='nonbelief'/><title type='text'>Non-religious weddings boom in Australia</title><content type='html'>Non-religious (civil) weddings in Australia have boomed over the last decade.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See this &lt;a href="http://www.ipc.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/Corporate/ll_corporate.nsf/vwFiles/181009_Civil_Weddings.pdf/$file/181009_Civil_Weddings.pdf"&gt;"Civil weddings now double the number of religious"&lt;/a&gt; media release (pdf) by the New South Wales government, and &lt;a href="http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/more-victorians-ditching-the-church-and-opting-for-registry-wedding/story-e6frf7kx-1225789054971"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; newspaper article on the corresponding figures in Victoria (which together account for 60% of Australia's population).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I made a graph. It shows the percentage of weddings that were civil ceremonies by year for the two states (with the corresponding remainder - the religious weddings - percentage shown over on the axis on the right).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;B&gt;Non-religious weddings in Australia&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/St6vj5dAfzI/AAAAAAAAAOU/3OyxxTmbW_g/s1600-h/civilwedaus.png"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 296px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/St6vj5dAfzI/AAAAAAAAAOU/3OyxxTmbW_g/s400/civilwedaus.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5394942434889203506" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;center&gt;&lt;font size=2&gt;Data Sources: NSW Registry of Births Deaths and Marriages&lt;br /&gt;and Victorian Registry of Births Deaths and Marriages&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By 2002 religious weddings were already in a minority... and presently they're outnumbered about two-to-one. If anything, from the NSW figures, the trend is &lt;i&gt;accelerating&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, lots and lots of people just aren't getting married at all. They're not in these figures, and they're growing too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(edited Nov 2011 to fix dead link)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-1487599728863108258?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/1487599728863108258/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=1487599728863108258' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1487599728863108258'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1487599728863108258'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/10/non-religious-weddings-boom-in.html' title='Non-religious weddings boom in Australia'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/St6vj5dAfzI/AAAAAAAAAOU/3OyxxTmbW_g/s72-c/civilwedaus.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-271641779010165952</id><published>2009-10-18T12:19:00.005+11:00</published><updated>2009-10-18T16:24:06.308+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='media'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='politics'/><title type='text'>Pew online Political News IQ survey</title><content type='html'>Pew have a Political News Quiz up, &lt;a href="http://pewresearch.org/politicalquiz/quiz/"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and you can see how you went compared to a national US survey.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I did okay on that:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Here's Your Score&lt;/b&gt;: You correctly answered 12 of the 12 possible questions along with approximately 2% of the public. You did better than 98% of the general public.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/StpujGvnfAI/AAAAAAAAAOM/FUc2KOQSZKk/s1600-h/PoliticalQuizChart_GB.png"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 267px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/StpujGvnfAI/AAAAAAAAAOM/FUc2KOQSZKk/s400/PoliticalQuizChart_GB.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5393745053114399746" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you do it, once you get a graph like the above, there are some further links on the left with more information; the link &lt;i&gt;How you did, question by question&lt;/i&gt; takes you to a list of which questions you got right or not and the percentage of correct responses on each question from the previous survey.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-271641779010165952?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/271641779010165952/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=271641779010165952' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/271641779010165952'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/271641779010165952'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/10/pew-online-political-knowledge-survey.html' title='Pew online Political News IQ survey'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/StpujGvnfAI/AAAAAAAAAOM/FUc2KOQSZKk/s72-c/PoliticalQuizChart_GB.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-4787546450541132141</id><published>2009-10-16T22:17:00.006+11:00</published><updated>2009-10-18T16:28:32.762+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='book review'/><title type='text'>Finished "The Greatest Show on Earth"</title><content type='html'>Extremely short version of a book review, kinda.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In short, I was quite impressed with it. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dawkins, though given to occasional infelicities, is a very engaging writer. Good coverage of a lot of the evidence for evolution. Highly recommended.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's also a book that sits well beside Coyne's &lt;i&gt;Why Evolution Is True&lt;/i&gt; - there's definitely value in having both.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'd write more, but I am not feeling up to much analysis of the book right now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[To be more specific, I now have a partially collapsed &lt;i&gt;left&lt;/i&gt; lung, as well as some scarring on the right lung, which is apprently otherwise okay now. I feel a bit crap, to be honest.]&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-4787546450541132141?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/4787546450541132141/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=4787546450541132141' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4787546450541132141'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4787546450541132141'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/10/finished-greatest-show-on-earth.html' title='Finished &quot;The Greatest Show on Earth&quot;'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-4985871384684629200</id><published>2009-10-15T22:32:00.006+11:00</published><updated>2009-10-16T22:27:46.336+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='research'/><title type='text'>Ten, no eleven! things that shit me about research seminars</title><content type='html'>1) People who can't stick close to time. There's a time limit for a reason - people have other places to go. The last 5 talks I attended all went way, way over time; if you can't get the point across in the time, you don't understand what's important about your work. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don't these people have ANY idea how long they're going to take? Unless I am interrupted a &lt;I&gt;lot&lt;/i&gt;, I can usually time my talk to within a few minutes or so, based off nothing more than the number of slides I have; generally close enough to finish with time for a few questions before the scheduled time is up. I check my watch a couple of times as I go, so if I am running well over for some reason (which almost never happens), I can skip ahead to the more critical stuff. How can someone go almost twice the allocated time without realizing? (And if they do realize and do it anyway, who the hell do they think are?)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2) Morons who think that putting their entire PAPER on slides is acceptable practice. &lt;i&gt;In 12 point.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As soon as I see someone holding their slides in portrait orientation, I start to sweat (well, hardly anyone carries actual physical slides any more - but a few of these guys still do). I'm in for a lot of eyestrain, and they are absolutely &lt;i&gt;guaranteed&lt;/i&gt; to run way over time. And they're going to spend the entire talk with their back to me. The back of your head just isn't that interesting.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For some reason, by far the most common offenders on this are LaTeX users. I don't know why. I can read your freaking text 5 times as fast as you can say it. Maybe more. If I want to read your freaking paper, I will read your freaking paper. I do NOT want to listen to you READING your freaking paper to me. This is not going to get me interested in what you did.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you &lt;i&gt;can't&lt;/i&gt; summarize it, you don't understand it well enough to be giving a presentation. If you &lt;i&gt;won't&lt;/i&gt; put in the effort to summarize it, why should I put in the effort to sit through it?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3) People who think it's necessary to go through proofs, protocols, algorithms or whatever in excruciating detail. If I want extreme detail, I will read your damn paper. If you did something &lt;i&gt;particularly&lt;/i&gt; clever to prove a result, tell me briefly what that was, but otherwise, unless it's the only thing your paper is about* don't do more than present the result, tell me why it's interesting and what you can do with it. Outline the proof if it's really brief.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;* and if it is all you can talk about, I probably won't be back at your next talk.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4) If I have to ask "Why should I care about this?" (though I may put it more politely than that) then you have already failed. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That's the entire &lt;i&gt;point&lt;/i&gt; of giving a presentation, something you should convey in the first few minutes. If we got to the end of your talk and I am asking, you didn't even hint at it. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If I ask and you &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; can't answer, you have no business giving a talk on it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5) People who think that spouting bullshit is better than answering "I don't know". I don't expect every speaker to have a ready answer for every question - that would be ridiculous. "I don't know" is okay, "but I'll find out and let you know" is better. But whatever you do, don't bullshit me. Chances are I will know the moment you open your mouth. If not, I will likely find out a few minutes after the talk has finished. I will NOT be impressed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6) People who think that brown text on a purple background is a good idea. Black on white is readable. Many other colour combinations are definitely NOT. And fancy wipes and shit - it's distracting, not interesting. Knock it off. Your talk should be interesting. If you have to fuck around with brainbending colours and wipes and fades and crap, you're not spending time on the content.  ... and starwipe!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;7) People who can't answer basic questions about how they got some particular result (e.g. "Did this come from the survey or the interviews?"). If you don't know your own research that well, why would I believe it's your own work? Even if I do, why would I trust anything else you say about it?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;8) People who make some &lt;i&gt;amazing&lt;/i&gt; assertion but don't have a good answer for "what is your evidence for this assertion?". Look, if you're going to make a claim, someone is going to make you justify it. If it's an extraordinary claim, you have to have really good evidence. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you can't justify it, don't make the claim. Just don't. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;9) People who put three words and some clipart on a slide and present 5 slides total... (and STILL, unbelievably, &lt;i&gt;somehow&lt;/i&gt; manage to go 45 minutes past the allocated 45 minutes). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you don't have some actual content, you're wasting my time. Have something to say, and don't spend longer than necessary to say it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;10) People who start their talk with a list of assumptions, every one of which is known, beyond a shadow of a doubt, to be completely false in practice, well beyond any sense of "approximation"*. And then finish their talk without attempting to address why their results are in any way relevant, or even identify which assumptions their results are robust to deviations from, and which ones are more critical. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If your work is always a bunch of unexamined, unrealistic assumptions followed by some unenlightening proof of a result and no applications, I am sorry, but I don't think your work is brilliant. I think it's masturbation, with grants.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*("assume a spherical cow" can be just fine, in the right context)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;11) People who obliviously break a bunch of these rules, over and over, and never seem to learn a single thing year upon year. Even if you're utterly incapable of self-reflection, at least pay enough attention to notice what works and what doesn't when &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; people present.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-4985871384684629200?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/4985871384684629200/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=4985871384684629200' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4985871384684629200'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4985871384684629200'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/10/ten-no-eleven-things-that-shit-me-about.html' title='Ten, no eleven! things that shit me about research seminars'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-5280760635897549915</id><published>2009-10-08T14:03:00.008+11:00</published><updated>2009-10-08T14:20:15.677+11:00</updated><title type='text'>Quote</title><content type='html'>I just had to get this one down. It's too crazy not to.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;"When we applied for non-profit status in the UK, and faced delays greater than for a new religion, the &lt;a href="http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/"&gt;Charity Commission&lt;/a&gt; wrote back to us, and I quote: 'Kindly explain how scientific education benefits humanity.' "  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   -- &lt;a href="http://richarddawkins.net/"&gt;Richard Dawkins&lt;/a&gt;, on the &lt;a href="http://richarddawkinsfoundation.org/"&gt;Richard Dawkins Foundation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; Source: &lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/3987330279/"&gt;Dinner with Dawkins on Flickr&lt;/a&gt; (jurvetson), via &lt;a href="http://toomanytribbles.blogspot.com/2009/10/dinner-with-dawkins.html"&gt;Too Many Tribbles&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Aside on health: still recovering, 7 weeks down the track. Getting there slowly. And I still can't get my blog page to load for some reason.]&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-5280760635897549915?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/5280760635897549915/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=5280760635897549915' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/5280760635897549915'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/5280760635897549915'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/10/quote.html' title='Quote'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-4114082280339033830</id><published>2009-10-04T17:33:00.010+11:00</published><updated>2009-10-04T20:10:57.871+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='argument from personal incredulity'/><title type='text'>Admiration and disagreement...</title><content type='html'>Mark Chu-Carroll has an excellent blog, &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/"&gt;&lt;I&gt;Good Math, Bad Math&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; - (I get the feed, which I don't do with all that many blogs). It's reliably intelligent, clear, unfailingly educational and tolerates fools not at all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I have to note a point of disagreement with him now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mark takes Phil Plait of &lt;a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/"&gt;BadAstronomy&lt;/a&gt; to task over what he sees as Plait employing &lt;a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/01/i-object/"&gt;dualism&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Actually, I don't object so much to that, though I think he's making slightly more of it than was necessary; and especially given Phil was in the process of debunking nonsense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But then he commits what I see as a much graver error than Phil's fairly weak expression of dualism (which he refers to as "sloppy dualism").&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In discussing "sloppy dualism" he says:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"&lt;i&gt;But moving from non-determinism to choice is a problem. If you're consistent, and you reject non-physical entities and influences in the world, then you are no exception.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There's no scientific reason to believe that we have free will."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No problem so far - there is really little to no evidence that we have it - and indeed, some experiments do seem to suggest that we in fact may not have it. I know it *feels* like we have it, and we certainly base our society around the assumption that we possess it - but neither of those things means that we do. Our choices can certainly be influenced, that much is clear (which is why so much money is spent on advertising, for example).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He goes further: &lt;blockquote&gt;"&lt;I&gt;There's non-determinism; but there's not choice.&lt;/i&gt;"&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Okay, fine. We haven't demonstrated that we really &lt;i&gt;choose&lt;/i&gt; in the sense of exercising free will -- though I can make some arguments - a series of thought experiments (though you could easily carry them out) - that seem to show we can at least &lt;i&gt;simulate&lt;/i&gt; something like that. But that's a post for another time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He's already begun to push the boundary here - he's gone from saying "we haven't demonstrated choice" to seeming to assert that we can't have choice in a purely naturalistic framework. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[This is not necessarily the case, of course. For example, &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose"&gt;Penrose&lt;/a&gt; suggested that &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose#Physics_and_consciousness"&gt;quantum effects come into it&lt;/a&gt;. I happen to think Penrose was utterly wrong (not just about microtubules, but the whole quantum-consciousness concept), but the point still stands - there may be ways to have a natural/materialist explanation of these matters, Chu-Carroll's assertions notwithstanding. The onus is on him to make a much better demonstration of impossibility.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But let's be generous - maybe he's not asserting that - maybe I'm misreading him?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, no, he really is. Here's where he goes completely off the rails:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"&lt;i&gt;Choice is the introduction of something, dare I say it, supernatural: some influence that isn't part of the physical interaction, which allows some clusters of matter and energy to decide how they'll collapse a probabilistic waveform into a particular reality.&lt;/i&gt;"&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He has certainly gone beyond anything you can reliably infer fromn Plait's words there. He's also snuck in a whole load of extra stuff with little justification.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But he goes on:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"&lt;i&gt;The funny thing is that at the end of the day, I agree with him. I've mentioned before that I'm a theist. The reason that I'm a theist is because I believe in consciousness.&lt;/i&gt;"&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have no problem with Chu-Carroll's variety of theism. He's (with the possible tiny exception, which I don't begrudge him) entirely rational - his theism is utterly beside the point here; my problem is with his reasoning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The progression appears to be (someone please nudge me if you detect a straw man):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- "consciousness is complex"   (granted)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- "choice requires consciousness. We don't see a possibility for that to happen in physics" (not granted - I don't see that it's been ruled out even if we can't see a mechanism for it)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- "I therefore have no natural explanation for consciousness" (I don't agree, but let's pretend his argument goes through for now)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- "therefore god" &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wait. WHAT?  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is hoary old &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance"&gt;argument-from-ignorance&lt;/a&gt; - specifically, it's argument from personal incredulity:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;I&gt;I-don't-understand-how-something-works-therefore-goddidit.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The favourite canard of every YEC, every evolution-denier, every muddle-headed biblical literalist... &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...from Mark Chu-Carroll?  Colour me amazed. Stunned. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Natural explanations are sufficient for everything we can reliably, demonstrably explain &lt;i&gt;at all&lt;/i&gt;. But he throws it over rather casually.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fact is, as Greta Christina &lt;a href="http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2008/09/the-ten-main-reasons-i-dont-believe-in-god"&gt;points out&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"When you look at the history of what we know about the world, you see a very noticeable pattern. Natural explanations of things have been replacing supernatural explanations of them... as we understood the world better, and learned to observe it more carefully, the religious explanations were replaced by physical cause and effect." &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"The number of times that a supernatural or religious explanation of a phenomenon has been replaced by a natural explanation? Thousands upon thousands upon thousands."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"The number of times that a natural explanation of a phenomenon has been replaced by a supernatural or religious one? The number of times humankind has said, "We used to think (X) was caused by physical cause and effect, but now we understand that it's actually caused by God, or spirits, or demons, or the soul"?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Zero Exactly zero."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I commented on his blog (from which I have taken the liberty of extracting part). &lt;br /&gt;The below is simply suggesting a &lt;i&gt;possibility&lt;/i&gt; for what we perceive as consciousness - because I am not convinced we have really established consciousness is *real*, let alone that we can't ever explain it naturally:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;- Let's take as given (I hope) that the ability to infer intent in the action of other animals has useful survival benefits (as in "that tiger is heading toward the river - it's probably looking for a meal" vs "that tiger's just gone toward its cave after a feed - it's probably looking to have a sleep"), whether the animal in question actually possesses consciousness or even actual intent. Such an ability becomes even more critical in an intelligent social species, like say, wolves or baboons, or even more so in bonobos, chimps, or ourselves, of course.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Given that inferring intent is potentially useful for survival, demonstrate that what you call consciousness is not something as simple as say, our intention-inferring brain's attempt to rationalize what it observes itself doing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If it's potentially something reasonably trivial (almost a side effect, perhaps), why invoke something complex without a reason to do so?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- -&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Make no mistake, "god" is the most complex possible explanation. Or rather, it's the ultimate non-explanation, because we are never presented with a set of observations with which it's inconsistent. Because it can be plunked down to "explain" &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; observation, it's completely useless. It's the end of inquiry. It must therefore be the &lt;i&gt;absolute last resort&lt;/i&gt; as an explanation, because its the worst possible explanation. And we're nowhere near a last resort.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So the point I was making up there is, before we start saying "consciousness is tricky, therefore god", we need first to demonstrate that there's some "there" there - that consciousness is something "real", something big - not something relatively simple, like a side effect of other brain processes - that we need a complex explanation for. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And then we need to demonstrate that natural explanations are utterly ruled out - and because we have yet to find a single case where we demonstrably can't have a natural explanation, or require a supernatural one, it had better be a very good demonstration.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mark Chu-Carroll hasn't even come close to making his case.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[As noted before - I can post, but I can't read my blog at the moment. So I can't really see how this looks, except for a rough preview. Apologies if there are errors; as a result I will probably make a lot of tiny edits without specifically marking them as edits, as I notice them from the preview. Please excuse that.]&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-4114082280339033830?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/4114082280339033830/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=4114082280339033830' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4114082280339033830'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4114082280339033830'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/10/admiration-and-disagreement.html' title='Admiration and disagreement...'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-8154625034881209195</id><published>2009-10-04T11:01:00.004+11:00</published><updated>2009-10-07T08:31:22.581+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='anniversary'/><title type='text'>Blogging anniversary</title><content type='html'>Tomorrow, October 5 is the second anniversary of the first post to Ecstathy, so today marks the final day of my second year of writing this blog (one of four, in fact, but this one is my most active and second oldest).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've made about 220 posts, and since I started measuring (a good while after I started the blog), I've had around 17000 visitors - not big, by any means, but many more than I ever expected. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hopefully I've still got something to say in another couple of years.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-8154625034881209195?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/8154625034881209195/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=8154625034881209195' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8154625034881209195'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8154625034881209195'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/10/blogging-anniversary.html' title='Blogging anniversary'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-3847930004124156308</id><published>2009-10-03T13:29:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2009-10-03T14:01:44.873+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='science reporting'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='journalism'/><title type='text'>Ardi: probably not an actual ancestor</title><content type='html'>Again, find an interesting fossil, and the media is full of &lt;a href="http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/10/01/ardi-human-ancestor.html"&gt;hyperbole&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ardi is probably not a human ancestor. Ardi is probably not a common ancestor of humans and chimps.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The hominin family tree is very bushy. There's lots of "cousins" in it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's much more likely that Ardi's species is a close relative of a human ancestor than a direct human ancestor - but Ardi is probably &lt;i&gt;very like&lt;/i&gt; a direct human ancestor that lived at the same time (a bit like looking for Cro Magnon and finding Neanderthal - it's really a very good approximation). It's even less likely that Ardi is the most recent common ancestor of humans, chimpanzees and bonobos. Again, Ardi is probably somewhat like that common ancestor, but to my understanding the branch point is a good deal older than Ardi - the figure I usually see is 6-7 mya, Ardipithecus ramidus is a bit over 4.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You don't need to call your great aunt "grandma" to feel close to her.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fossil is a very exciting find. We don't need to make it something it's likely not, for it to be fascinating.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(been trying to post this since news first came, but haven't been able to get on blogger for some reason)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-3847930004124156308?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/3847930004124156308/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=3847930004124156308' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/3847930004124156308'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/3847930004124156308'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/10/ardi-probably-not-actual-ancestor.html' title='Ardi: probably not an actual ancestor'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-4666576917762976542</id><published>2009-09-24T20:22:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-09-26T09:31:59.423+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='health'/><title type='text'>Just dust</title><content type='html'>The &lt;a href="http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/national/dust-turns-sydney-sky-red/20090923-g0tw.html?selectedImage=51"&gt;dust storm&lt;/a&gt; in Sydney hit me pretty hard - I'm struggling a bit with the side that had the lung problems.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Update: More dust. Ow.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-4666576917762976542?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/4666576917762976542/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=4666576917762976542' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4666576917762976542'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4666576917762976542'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/09/just-dust.html' title='Just dust'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-7141762534539856255</id><published>2009-09-22T18:38:00.006+10:00</published><updated>2009-09-22T18:45:50.552+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='quotes'/><title type='text'>A hole-shaped hole.</title><content type='html'>Greta Christina hits the nail right into the wood again, with her piece &lt;a href="http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2009/09/atheism_and_yearning.html"&gt;"&lt;i&gt;There has to be somethng more": atheism and yearning&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Toward the end, she takes her argument to a conclusion that I found particularly striking (maybe it works better in &lt;a href="http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2009/09/atheism_and_yearning.html"&gt;context&lt;/a&gt;): &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;We don't have a God-shaped hole in our hearts. We have a hole-shaped hole in our hearts.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think there's something profound in that little epigram.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-7141762534539856255?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/7141762534539856255/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=7141762534539856255' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7141762534539856255'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7141762534539856255'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/09/hole-shaped-hole.html' title='A hole-shaped hole.'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-6925691830356132322</id><published>2009-09-21T09:00:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-09-21T09:04:33.004+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='wotd'/><title type='text'>My new favourite word</title><content type='html'>In a comment thread at &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula"&gt;Pharyngula&lt;/a&gt;, Plasma &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/09/missiology.php#comment-1951977"&gt;pointed out&lt;/a&gt; a word that I have needed in online discussions for a long time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misology"&gt;misology&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;i&gt;fear or distrust of reason or logic&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-6925691830356132322?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/6925691830356132322/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=6925691830356132322' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/6925691830356132322'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/6925691830356132322'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/09/my-new-favourite-word.html' title='My new favourite word'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-7801606856575769338</id><published>2009-09-20T16:48:00.010+10:00</published><updated>2009-09-26T09:22:00.410+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='health care'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='lifespan'/><title type='text'>Healthcare and survival</title><content type='html'>A number of Republican politicians and pundits have declared the US healthcare system "the best in the world". For the richest half of one percent of the population &amp;mdash; like, say those Republican politicians and pundits &amp;mdash; that might even be true. But how is it for everyone?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've been wanting to graph this information for a while. I must be getting better, because I had the energy to pursue it today.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A crude but simple measure of how well a healthcare system works is how long people live - obviously, if you tend to die earlier, average lifespan is reduced. So what do the various countries get for their healthcare expenses?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I took data on healthcare costs from &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2009/05/whats_health_care_like_in_aust.php"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and data on life expectancy from &lt;a href="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. The data is for the USA compared to a bunch of countries with some degree of public (i.e. government) involvement in healthcare (aside from just the elderly and veterans). The other countries are: Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Japan, Netherlands, New Zealand, and the UK.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've seen it in words and numbers, but this makes the point very clearly. For the countries I had figures on, in 2004, the US paid more than twice as much in overall healthcare costs per person (adjusted for cost of living)... for easily the worst expected lifespan (2009 figures), almost a full year worse than the UK, which is easily the worst of the countries here (other than the US). Most of these countries manage to get more than two extra years per person average life span while spending less than half as much money. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/SrXUCsk4nzI/AAAAAAAAAOE/GssdTa6o2wQ/s1600-h/Life_vs_healthcost2.png"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 312px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/SrXUCsk4nzI/AAAAAAAAAOE/GssdTa6o2wQ/s400/Life_vs_healthcost2.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5383442072381988658" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I must be missing where the "best" part is. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Really, I don't think much more needs to be said.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-7801606856575769338?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/7801606856575769338/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=7801606856575769338' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7801606856575769338'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7801606856575769338'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/09/healthcare-and-survival.html' title='Healthcare and survival'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/SrXUCsk4nzI/AAAAAAAAAOE/GssdTa6o2wQ/s72-c/Life_vs_healthcost2.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-8863498774368066477</id><published>2009-09-18T09:59:00.005+10:00</published><updated>2009-09-18T13:53:17.225+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Rush Limbaugh calls for racial segregation</title><content type='html'>Rush Limbaugh thinks buses should be &lt;a href="http://jalopnik.com/5361875/rush-limbaugh-we-need-segregated-buses"&gt;racially segregated&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Meanwhile, 35% of New Jersey conservatives think Obama &lt;a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/32886436#32886436|336988"&gt;could really be the Antichrist&lt;/a&gt; (and fully half of them believe he actually is). Dana gives &lt;a href"http://entequilaesverdad.blogspot.com/2009/09/happy-hour-discurso_17.html"&gt;some additional figures&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I find myself unable to adequately convey just how scary that level of unhinged-from-reality is (to have more than a third of conservatives seriously contemplating that Obama is literally the antichrist? Really?). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;America, Hi, it's me, frequent visitor to your shores, who happens to be somewhat fond of the US. Look, I don't want to alarm you or anything (please put the guns down for a sec, thanks). Uh, would you mind handing your nuclear weapons over to somewhere sane (Sweden or New Zealand would do) until the proportion of people in your country who are completely bugfuck &lt;i&gt;NUTS&lt;/i&gt; goes down just a tad? Please?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-8863498774368066477?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/8863498774368066477/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=8863498774368066477' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8863498774368066477'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8863498774368066477'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/09/rush-limbaugh-calls-for-racial.html' title='Rush Limbaugh calls for racial segregation'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-177979763140613561</id><published>2009-09-17T17:37:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-09-18T09:59:52.382+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='health'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dawkins'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='books'/><title type='text'>Greatest Show on Earth...</title><content type='html'>Well, I bought Dawkins' "&lt;i&gt;The Greatest Show on Earth&lt;/i&gt;", and got it for a reasonable price (i.e. half what I paid for Coyne's "&lt;i&gt;Why Evolution Is True&lt;/i&gt;").&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Have not yet started to read it. It is sitting right here beside me, though, and I am about to dive in.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Healthwise: improving, slowly.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-177979763140613561?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/177979763140613561/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=177979763140613561' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/177979763140613561'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/177979763140613561'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/09/greatest-show-on-earth.html' title='Greatest Show on Earth...'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-3674583975162854495</id><published>2009-09-11T15:15:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-09-16T18:40:58.039+10:00</updated><title type='text'>health... again</title><content type='html'>Now a partly collapsed lung...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If I don't update for a while, I'm either better, or back in hospital.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Update: antibiotics and several sessions of physiotherapy seem to be helping with the lung. Recovery continues. (Some occasional vision and related issues that I assume relate to the torn carotid; I will take it up with the neuro specialist when I see him.)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-3674583975162854495?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/3674583975162854495/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=3674583975162854495' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/3674583975162854495'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/3674583975162854495'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/09/health-again.html' title='health... again'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-2580691385986577845</id><published>2009-09-10T15:46:00.007+10:00</published><updated>2009-09-16T10:59:06.754+10:00</updated><title type='text'>The problem with the "moderate" view</title><content type='html'>Tom Schaller &lt;a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/09/state-of-healthcare-speech-final.html"&gt;writes&lt;/a&gt; on &lt;a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/"&gt;fivethirtyeight.com&lt;/a&gt; in response to Obama's speech on health care:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;This was classic Obama, both from a policy conceit and rhetorical framing. Anyone who read The Audacity of Hope knows how Obama works through issues—he sets up how one side conceives it and how the other side does and then, after admitting he is inclined toward progressive/Democratic side of the ledger, he humbly suggests the best solution is probably somewhere in between.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Such an attitude works when both sides you mediate lie toward either end of a spectrum of reasonableness - when both have sensible points of view that differ mainly on relative emphasis placed on items that everyone can agree are important.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the current environment, such mediation-between-viewpoints reads more like this (the idea here is not original with me, but I have no idea who started it - and searching hasn't been helpful in finding the origin, sorry):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Side 1&lt;/span&gt;: Let's kill all the kittens!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Side 2&lt;/span&gt;: What? No! That's ludicrous! There's no need to harm kittens!!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Mediator&lt;/span&gt;: Tell you what. We could just kill half the kittens, while recognizing that it's really only half-necessary to kill kittens.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If one side is batshit insane (and prepared to lie and move goalposts and never actually compromise), you can't hope that an intermediate position ever makes any sense. Halfway to batshit-insane is still insane.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;The golden mean is not resistant to outliers, and soon starts to smell of them&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-2580691385986577845?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/2580691385986577845/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=2580691385986577845' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/2580691385986577845'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/2580691385986577845'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/09/problem-with-moderate-view.html' title='The problem with the &quot;moderate&quot; view'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-4241184771988566826</id><published>2009-09-08T12:17:00.000+10:00</published><updated>2009-09-08T12:24:29.759+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='health care'/><title type='text'>Further health issues</title><content type='html'>I now have pleurisy. Yay me.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-4241184771988566826?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/4241184771988566826/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=4241184771988566826' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4241184771988566826'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4241184771988566826'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/09/further-health-issues.html' title='Further health issues'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-5694606932381201624</id><published>2009-09-03T17:48:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-09-03T17:57:26.041+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='book review'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='creationism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='evolution'/><title type='text'>"Why Evolution Is True" mini-review</title><content type='html'>I recently bought &lt;a href="http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/"&gt;Coyne's&lt;/a&gt; book "&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Why-Evolution-True-Jerry-Coyne/dp/0670020532"&gt;Why&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Why-Evolution-Is-True/Jerry-Coyne/e/9780670020539/?itm=1"&gt;Evolution&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.borders.com/online/store/TitleDetail?sku=0670020532"&gt;Is True&lt;/a&gt;". I had not planned on finishing it quite so quickly, but an enforced 5 days in hospital made short work of it; I could have read it four times over.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Overall: It's a solid covering of a lot of both the evidence that evolution has occurred (and continues to occur), and the evidence that a major driver of evolutionary change is natural selection. It's clearly and engagingly written - the level is a bit lighter than I'd like (there are many places where just a bit more detail and depth would help), but probably spot on for the audience it's aimed at. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nits: Actually, I have quite a lot of nits to pick. I won't list them all just now (I may visit some in a later post), but they're mostly minor. I'd love to have seen more on ERVs, for example. A number of assertions are made that really should have some evidence to back them up -- and at least one of those assertions is, I think, very likely wrong, and reads like accomodationism. (Coyne is no accomodationist, which makes it seem &lt;i&gt;weird&lt;/i&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Who this book is for: &lt;br /&gt;- anyone who wants to learn what evolution is, what is the evidence that it happens, and why natural selection is such a powerful explanation of it.&lt;br /&gt;- anyone who finds themselves in the position of having to try to explain to someone else what evolution is, ... and so on. This includes me. The moment a creationist finds out I am interested in science, I'm enthusiastically Gish-galloped. This is a good start on background for being able to give better responses than my original laser-like response of "uh-whuh-huh?".&lt;br /&gt;- anyone who wants to argue that evolution is wrong. This is a basic introduction to what they have to try to argue against - that straw man they currently pound makes them look like morons.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In short, "Why Evolution Is True" is an enjoyable book. Well worthwhile, even at the relatively exhorbitant price I had to pay for it in Australia.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-5694606932381201624?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/5694606932381201624/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=5694606932381201624' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/5694606932381201624'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/5694606932381201624'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/09/why-evolution-is-true-mini-review.html' title='&quot;Why Evolution Is True&quot; mini-review'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-9146355935140509370</id><published>2009-09-03T15:08:00.009+10:00</published><updated>2009-09-04T09:22:53.012+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='death'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fear'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religious belief'/><title type='text'>Facing death</title><content type='html'>I get into discussions with christians a lot. Recently, I've had a lot of (online) discussion with fairly radical bible-literalist largely-creationist types.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm often asked by them if I fear death, and I explain that I came to terms with it years ago. I say I don't fear it at all. Many of them tell me I am lying, or that I am deceiving myself, and when faced with the real prospect of death I will come crying back to the Lawd begging for forgiveness, no-atheists-in-foxholes. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I never bought it - I've come close to death before, and even before I really thought it through, the prospect of dying wasn't that terrifying (pain, on the other hand, I'd really rather avoid, but that's a side issue). But how would I feel NOW?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, I recently had a serious prospect of death. I was laying face down on the floor, having crawled a few feet toward the phone and unable to move any further, with all the symptoms of a stroke, and resolved to wait for someone to find me (which I was pretty sure would be no more than ten minutes). So anyway, I had several minutes to ponder the very real possibility I might die, not at some distant time in the future, but with the very real good chance I might die today, possibly right there on the floor.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I didn't actually think death was all that likely, mind you; I was more worried about the prospect of surviving with major defects and being a damn nuisance, but even that didn't seem hugely likely - if things went well, I expected I'd probably come out of it mostly okay, given a few weeks or months at most. But still the prospect that "this could be the day I die" was there. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So how was it?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I felt not the slightest twinge of fear. Not the briefest moment of doubt. I had no impulse to pray. I had no sense that I was risking infinite torture imposed by the  merciless and implacable god of the new testament*. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I simply thought that it was possible I might die. It was annoying, like missing the last half of a good TV show that I'd really been enjoying. I was somewhat concerned that my kids might see me dead on the floor, which would be somewhat traumatic. That was it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I feel vindicated. I was right. When faced with the immediate, real possibility of death... I don't fear it. Not a whit. All the vile christian threats - they don't work on me any more. Even when I think I might really die.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;* &lt;small&gt;This guy (I'm looking at KJV):&lt;br /&gt;Matthew 10:28, 13:41-42, 25:41, 25:46&lt;br /&gt;Mark 4:11-12, 9:43-48, 16:16&lt;br /&gt;Luke 12:5, 13:23-30&lt;br /&gt;John 3:36, 15:6&lt;/small&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-9146355935140509370?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/9146355935140509370/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=9146355935140509370' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/9146355935140509370'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/9146355935140509370'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/09/facing-death.html' title='Facing death'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-5810097727931982809</id><published>2009-09-01T12:34:00.007+10:00</published><updated>2009-09-02T15:17:51.505+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='socialized medicine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='grandma-killing'/><title type='text'>My close-up experience of grandma-killing "socialized" medicine</title><content type='html'>I had a very interesting experience this past week. Last Wednesday night I had a &lt;a href="http://www.strokensw.org.au/transient.html"&gt;TIA&lt;/a&gt; (transient ischaemic attack).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So (long-story-short) emergency was dialled (not 911!) and an ambulance arrived in a ridiculously short few minutes. The ambos checked me out, asked a few questions... and after a few seconds of discussion they decided to take me to a hospital a few km south with a specialty neuro unit - a public hospital.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was in the hospital in minutes. I was assessed again in emergency; and then an emergency doctor saw me almost immediately. After a surprisingly short wait (though this was probably after 7pm) the neuro specialist had come in to check me out - and he had a few residents with him. Though my case was unusual, he had figured out the cause of the TIA instantly he saw me, and attempted to get the residents to figure it out too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(It turns out that you can cough yourself into a stroke... if you cough so hard you tear your carotid artery, and then dislodge the clump of platelets that form over the wound - with more coughing. It sounds funny, but I have to stop laughing because it makes me cough more. His diagnosis was confirmed by later scans.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I spent nearly 5 days in hospital, and over that time (beside the initial time in emergency) I shared wards with seven people in their 80s and 90s, as well as one slightly younger lady I didn't find out much about. Apart from a few hours in emergency, I was in the stroke ward (which is opposite the nurses station and has monitors at every bed) for most of the time, but my last few days were in the next ward along. [Each of these wards is only four beds - and they're usually not all full.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Everyone, public patient or private, old or young, had CT scans, MRIs, ultrasounds, blood tests (and further tests depending on their particular case), along with regular monitoring. While I was in the stroke ward, I and my fellow patients were all visited by a stroke team, a physiotherapist, a speech pathologist, an occupational therapist, a social worker, and several others as necessary for the individual case (e.g. I also saw a respiratory team and a dietician - to work out how the hospital might cater for my unusual dietary needs and to assess my diet longer term). Everything was being done not only to get us well and able to function as best as possible, but to try to make sure we were able to remain out of hospital and either be able to care for ourselves or be properly cared for.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The staff were amazingly professional, competent, friendly and helpful, though usually very busy. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Was everything perfect? No, several minor things went wrong. I wouldn't expect everything to work perfectly in a large organization where the situation is so chaotic and constantly changing and the people so busy. What mattered to me was the way that the problems that did arise were dealt with. If you brought a problem to the attention of the nurses or doctors, it tended to get solved. They listened.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was one of several private patients in a public ward (by choice). Being private meant I was free to choose my doctor (why would I choose anyone but the excellent specialist they had on hand?). We got a few trifling extras (like they supplied me with shampoo and soap which was handy the first day before I got organized wityh all my own stuff). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Were there shortages? Yes, now and then - I saw the nursing staff dealing with some kinds of shortage (like not enough kidney-dishes), but I never saw a moment where they let these difficulties impact the care of their patients.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of the four people over eighty I shared time in the stroke ward with, three improved rapidly and went home within a few days, and the fourth was transferred to another facility her son worked at for some longer term care nearer her family. In the second ward was another TIA patient in his nineties who also came along very well and was likely to be able to go home soon. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So how was the time in the "socialized-medicine" public hospital?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The sun shone in through large windows overlooking million-dollar river views. There were bevies of committed professionals looking after us. There was lots of talking and laughing and joking. One old guy did a bit of tap-dancing. People, old and young(-ish), recovered and went home. Nobody killed grandma. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[It is interesting to think on this: We have just as much a problem with obesity here as the US does. We have less money (about 20% less per capita). But we live FOUR YEARS longer. Government involvement in health care - it's certainly not perfect - but it seems it saves lives. Lots of lives. Even grandma's.]&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-5810097727931982809?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/5810097727931982809/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=5810097727931982809' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/5810097727931982809'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/5810097727931982809'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/09/my-close-up-experience-of-grandma.html' title='My close-up experience of grandma-killing &quot;socialized&quot; medicine'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-812263724494677093</id><published>2009-08-19T10:03:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-08-19T10:24:02.283+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='evolution'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='reading'/><title type='text'>Finally managed to get hold of "Why Evolution Is True"</title><content type='html'>I've been trying to get hold of &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Why-Evolution-True-Jerry-Coyne/dp/0670020532"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Why Evolution Is True&lt;/i&gt;"&lt;/a&gt; for months and months... and I finally found a copy. It was always "[typity-type] &lt;i&gt;oh, our store in outer Mongolia has a copy. Or I could order it in for you&lt;/i&gt;... (... for $45)".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway the bookstore on campus actually finally got it in. Yay. $46 (WTF!?) but with discount it was just under $43 ($35 US - yeah, I should have just waited 4 weeks and I'd be in Chicago and could have got it for heaps less, or even had it shipped from the US by Amazon, for that matter). But anyway, I decided not to wait and just get it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Haven't had much time to read it, but the little I have read so far is very good.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have put Darwin aside for a little (I'm about halfway through), because reading Darwin constantly had me saying "but don't we know &lt;i&gt;such-and-such&lt;/i&gt; now?" - I really wanted to have a better understanding of current evolutionary ideas; actually I'm not too badly off, since I read around a fair bit, but it's always been in tiny disconnected pieces - this book of Jerry Coyne's looks like a good laymans overview.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-812263724494677093?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/812263724494677093/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=812263724494677093' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/812263724494677093'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/812263724494677093'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/08/finally-managed-to-get-hold-of-why.html' title='Finally managed to get hold of &quot;Why Evolution Is True&quot;'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-3039413357959136461</id><published>2009-08-17T17:23:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-08-17T17:26:50.691+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='quotes'/><title type='text'>Jerry Coyne aptness</title><content type='html'>Jerry Coyne &lt;a href="http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2009/08/16/sunday-miscellany/"&gt;said&lt;/a&gt; something I have been struggling to express so concisely in many recent discussions. I liked it so I figured I would quote him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;I&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;And here we have the real difference between faith and science, for, unlike faith, science can answer the question, “How would I know if I were wrong?”  And if you can’t answer that question, how can you know if you are right?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-3039413357959136461?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/3039413357959136461/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=3039413357959136461' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/3039413357959136461'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/3039413357959136461'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/08/jerry-coyne-aptness.html' title='Jerry Coyne aptness'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-7103118709722407379</id><published>2009-08-16T12:20:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-08-23T19:15:52.230+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='spurious argument'/><title type='text'>Ontologically logical</title><content type='html'>Today I used Anselm's ontological argument to prove the existence of Odin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Odin was very grateful.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now what do I do with an 8-legged horse?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Edit: See &lt;a href="http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2009/08/ontological-argument-for-god-rebuttal.html"&gt;Skeptico's debunking of Anselm's argument&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-7103118709722407379?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/7103118709722407379/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=7103118709722407379' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7103118709722407379'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7103118709722407379'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/08/ontologically-logical.html' title='Ontologically logical'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-8158482884737654712</id><published>2009-08-08T18:08:00.005+10:00</published><updated>2009-08-09T10:49:23.320+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Gallup Poll on religious belief in US:</title><content type='html'>Gallup poll &lt;a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/122075/Religious-Identity-States-Differ-Widely.aspx#2"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; on religious belief in the US. Total sample size is over 178000. &lt;br /&gt;(page 1, with map and article &lt;a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/122075/Religious-Identity-States-Differ-Widely.aspx#1"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, but to me the numbers were the story.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;None/Atheist/Agnostic: &lt;br /&gt;USA overall: 13.2%&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;States over 20%:&lt;br /&gt;Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii, Alaska&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;States under 10%:&lt;br /&gt;North Dakota, Nebraska, North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana, Oaklahoma, Texas&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-8158482884737654712?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/8158482884737654712/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=8158482884737654712' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8158482884737654712'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8158482884737654712'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/08/gallup-poll-on-religious-belief-in-us.html' title='Gallup Poll on religious belief in US:'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-4396192767192316624</id><published>2009-08-07T15:35:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-08-07T15:38:34.335+10:00</updated><title type='text'>200 and counting</title><content type='html'>I passed my 200th post a few posts ago (&lt;a href="http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/07/question-is-not-whether-people-might.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). That was in just a few days over 21 months.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My volume is down, but I'm still around.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-4396192767192316624?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/4396192767192316624/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=4396192767192316624' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4396192767192316624'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4396192767192316624'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/08/200-and-counting.html' title='200 and counting'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-6935990436397625100</id><published>2009-08-07T15:29:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-08-07T15:33:47.616+10:00</updated><title type='text'>If a picture is worth a thousand words...</title><content type='html'>If a picture really is worth a thousand words... why do we keep saying "a picture is worth a thousand words" ... in &lt;i&gt;words&lt;/i&gt;?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-6935990436397625100?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/6935990436397625100/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=6935990436397625100' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/6935990436397625100'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/6935990436397625100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/08/if-picture-is-worth-thousand-words.html' title='If a picture is worth a thousand words...'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-5794688276599473800</id><published>2009-07-30T16:56:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-07-30T17:14:17.582+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='push-polls'/><title type='text'>I got push-polled about cigarette tax</title><content type='html'>I've never been pushpolled before. I've never even heard of anyone being push-polled (outside of the US).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was asked to participate in a short survey. I was somewhat suspicious ("surveys" are often thinly disguised marketing), but the guy promised 3 minutes, and I thought, "what the heck". &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I was asked about my attitude to a proposal to increase cigarette taxes.&lt;br /&gt;I gave my answer, and began to think it might be legit after all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was then asked a series of carefully-worded and ordered questions, and became increasingly suspicious that something was up, because the questions seemed increasingly designed to elicit a particular response in opposition to the tax increase. After four minutes (okay, so he fibbed, but not by a whole lot), the guy (an Indian, as usual) asked "Given &lt;i&gt;what you now know about the proposal&lt;/i&gt; ..." and then it was the exact same FIRST question I had been asked.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now I didn't know anything I hadn't known before (apart from some slightly dubious statements in the questions that I didn't attach much credence to - but I'm a skeptic; a lot of people would probably accept them as true). To ask the question again implied it was expected I might have changed my mind. No legitimate poll does it like that. I guess most people wouldn't realize what was up, but I was peeved.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I just said "I've already answered that question", and got off as fast as I could, but DAMN I'm annoyed now. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The results of the SECOND asking of that question will no doubt be used to fuel a push to oppose the proposal (with, of course, no mention of the tricks it took to lead people to that answer).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Expect some agitation from this puppy, you ghouls. I haz internets and access to bordz and groopz. You don't entwine me in your devious little push-polls without some push-back.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-5794688276599473800?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/5794688276599473800/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=5794688276599473800' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/5794688276599473800'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/5794688276599473800'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/07/i-got-push-polled-about-cigarette-tax.html' title='I got push-polled about cigarette tax'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-3203255223478330411</id><published>2009-07-12T13:20:00.007+10:00</published><updated>2009-07-25T09:04:46.642+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='spurious argument'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='health care'/><title type='text'>The question is not whether people might die...</title><content type='html'>Dana over at &lt;a href="http://entequilaesverdad.blogspot.com/"&gt;En Tequila Es Verdad&lt;/a&gt; discusses &lt;a href="http://entequilaesverdad.blogspot.com/2009/07/happy-hour-discurso_11.html"&gt;health care reform&lt;/a&gt;, quoting Rep. Paul Broun:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    "...and that's exactly what's going on in Canada and Great Britain today. They don't have the appreciation of life, as we do in our society, evidently. And, um. Dr. Roe, a lot of people are gonna die, this program of 'government option' is being touted as being this panacea, the savior of allowing people to have quality health care at an affordable price -- is gonna kill people."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's get this straight. EVERY form of health care will lead to deaths. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Any society has finite resources. Any time you spend those resources on &lt;i&gt;anything whatever&lt;/i&gt;, you're not spending those resources on saving a life that might have been saved otherwise. Even when you're spending the resources on saving a life over here, you're not spending them on saving a life over there. If you install that traffic light, you might have spent it on heart medication. If you build that school, you might have spent it on cancer research. If you build that bridge, you might have spent it on an MRI machine. But the traffic light, the school and the bridge also improve survival... &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And it's not just government expenditure. Buying a boat rather than donating money that could save lives is a health care choice too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The one constant then, is that under &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; form of health care, under any form of public and private expenditure, people die. It is a nonsense to pretend otherwise. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The question is not whether health care will be rationed. It always is. The question is not whether bureaucrats will be involved in health care decisions. They always will.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The question is when and where resources will be spent. This always comes down to what treatments are effective and where to get value for the resources that are spent. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Currently an overwhelming proportion of health care expenditure in the US is spent to keep very old people, mostly very wealthy people, alive for another couple of months, at the expense, frequently, of children and babies, had some of those resources been spent on younger, poorer people. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Any way you try to allocate those resources, people die. The thing is, if you reallocate only a tiny amount of that expenditure toward younger, poorer people, the overall impact on survival can be very dramatic indeed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The UK and Canadian systems (and for that matter, the Australian one) are imperfect. &lt;br /&gt;As far as I understand, they all involve some form of judging what is effective treatment. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If there are two similar treatments, but one costs twenty times as much for only fractionally better outcomes, the public systems will tend to plump for the cheaper one - because you can treat twenty times as many people with it! (As Cujo rightly points out in comments, similar decisions happen with private providers in the US as well - though obviously their priorities are slightly different.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Overall, these decisions do a fairly good job of allocating resources away from less effective or marginally-effective-but-hugely-expensive treatments, in order to make the health of the society as a whole somewhat better. But government involvement in providing some minimal health care doesn't stop wealthy people being able to buy additional health care.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Every system involves rationing. The present US system rations health care quite dramatically. Firstly, millions of people don't have health cover at all, and for many that do, their provider strictly rations what health care is provided - the main problem is that their decisions are not only predicated on value for money. Again, the question is not "will health care be rationed?", the question is "what is rationed, and in what circumstances?".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On its northern border, the US has a neighbor that has universal health care. However, it is not a single system - there's a different system in each province. There's been a long-running experiment right on the doorstep of the US, with &lt;a href="http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/canada.asp"&gt;different approaches to providing health care&lt;/a&gt; (link is to Snopes article debunking claims about Canadian health system). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It would be easy to examine what works well and what doesn't about each system. There are many other systems around the industrialized world, with different methods of paying for care and different approaches to providing it. The US is in a uniquely privieleged position to see what works, and has the ability to find out what the users of each system think of their health care and its costs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I live in a system that has private and public components. It is not cheap, and it is far from perfect, but it is still cheaper than what you presently have in the US and (usually) does better at providing a minimal level of basic health care to the poor.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The US has a unique opportunity to get it right. But there are some people whose aim is to scare you out of making a considered decision, and the private health industry is spending enormous amounts on lobbying politicians (and people in the media) to make sure that you don't. The result is you get told a lot of lies and half-truths and get conclusions based on &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2009/07/bad_healthcare_cost_models_pro.php"&gt;bad assumptions&lt;/a&gt;. If you pay attention to the scare mongers (mostly politicians with pockets filled by the private health insurers and incredibly wealthy media people whose concerns are very different from that of the ordinary working person), they will create so much smoke that proper, considered decision making will become politically impossible. And the only certainy then is that no matter what health care system you get, you will end up with worse health care than you could have. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, Rep. Broun, do we spend a little and save perhaps a dozen babies, or is extending the painful death of someone in the unavoidable process of dying, for perhaps another few days, really more important to you?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;edit: fixed link. Added a couple of paragraphs and a link&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-3203255223478330411?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/3203255223478330411/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=3203255223478330411' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/3203255223478330411'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/3203255223478330411'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/07/question-is-not-whether-people-might.html' title='The question is not whether people might die...'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-3475625873784050732</id><published>2009-07-09T14:28:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-07-09T15:04:27.005+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='media'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='medicine'/><title type='text'>Tea? Coffee?</title><content type='html'>Recent research shows that &lt;br /&gt;(i) caffeine prevents and even reverses the effects of &lt;a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8132122.stm"&gt;Alzheimers&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;br /&gt;(ii) tea consumption reduces the risk of &lt;a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19571153?ordinalpos=31&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum"&gt;Parkinsons&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So do I drink coffee and get Parkinsons or tea and get Alzheimers?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I guess tea has a little caffeine, so I could drink like 15 cups a day.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Who knows - if I stop putting milk in it, all that peeing might even help with kidney stones. Or then again, maybe it will &lt;a href="http://www.popsci.com.au/scitech/article/2009-07/power-pee"&gt;power my car&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-3475625873784050732?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/3475625873784050732/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=3475625873784050732' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/3475625873784050732'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/3475625873784050732'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/07/tea-coffee.html' title='Tea? Coffee?'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-6034771410913989686</id><published>2009-06-29T15:27:00.001+10:00</published><updated>2009-06-29T15:29:11.636+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='busy'/><title type='text'>The atheist busy</title><content type='html'>Been busy grading exams.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I did go to a particularly religious wedding on the weekend. Uh. May say more later.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tired.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-6034771410913989686?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/6034771410913989686/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=6034771410913989686' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/6034771410913989686'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/6034771410913989686'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/06/atheist-busy.html' title='The atheist busy'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-4965302361014452273</id><published>2009-06-25T12:01:00.008+10:00</published><updated>2009-06-26T14:33:55.438+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Erdős number'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mathematics'/><title type='text'>Erdős number - do published books count?</title><content type='html'>In the past I've tried tracking my Erdős number through a particular coauthor that I think is likely to have the smallest number of all my coauthors. Today I tried doing it a different way, through someone else who I know well but don't have a direct publication with (who I just realized would have a low number)... and found a link to him. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the question is, is the series of links I found legit?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do coauthors of published books (which are not only citeable but cited) count as links toward Erdős number?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If so, mine is at most 5. If I look hard enough I can probably get it down to papers only, but if books count I don't need to spend the time looking. (&lt;i&gt;Later edit&lt;/i&gt;: found a papers-only link that's of length 6. Considering its convolutedness I expect there's a shorter one to be found somewhere.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Judging by the discussion later in the wikipedia article, the answer is that the book counts. So E &amp;le; 5.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One day I'm going to take some time and try to find a shorter link.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-4965302361014452273?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/4965302361014452273/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=4965302361014452273' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4965302361014452273'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/4965302361014452273'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/06/erdos-number-do-published-books-count.html' title='Erdős number - do published books count?'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-2619890434658885960</id><published>2009-06-21T16:13:00.005+10:00</published><updated>2009-06-21T17:05:59.451+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='former atheists'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='faith'/><title type='text'>The unreported tragedy of the missing former atheists - fortunately now found</title><content type='html'>One thing I have noticed in debating theists, particularly christians, is how often one will tell you they are a "former atheist".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If even half the Christians who paint themselves as "former atheists" had ever actually been recorded as such, atheism, instead of being the fastest growing (in raw numbers) "denomination" in the US, would be &lt;i&gt;by far&lt;/i&gt; the fastest shrinking.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At a rough guess, I would say enough christians claim to be former atheists than would overwhelm the number of atheists in the 2008 ARIS survey by a factor of well over five. In the 2001 ARIS survey, the proportion of atheists was - get this - 0.4%; 4 in a &lt;i&gt;thousand&lt;/i&gt;. Yet &lt;i&gt;easily&lt;/i&gt; several percent of christians seem to proclaim "former atheism"? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What gives? Were they closet atheists?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even stranger, this group of "former atheists" presents their "former atheism" in a light I have NEVER heard from actual atheists. They were, apparently, every kind of terrible thing that the less enlightened of the rabid rightwing fundies try to paint us as... &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; they are conveniently held up as experts on everything from science (especially evolution) to atheism to separation of church and state.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now there are actually a few former atheists of now various theistic stripes whose former atheism was apparent to more than their later selves - so the phenomenon does occur. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But what about all these other ones that appear in debates, on message boards, on interviews, on youtube videos, as subjects of sermons, etc etc?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So where &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; this enormous group of thieving, drug-addicted, sexually deviant, but all-of-a-sudden-completely open to the message of christianity experts-on-every-subject &lt;i&gt;hiding&lt;/i&gt;? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why weren't they showing up in religious surveys? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Were they all hiding in one large (and presumably unbearably hip) basement?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Or, as seems much more likely, are they largely exaggerators-for-Jesus?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-2619890434658885960?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/2619890434658885960/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=2619890434658885960' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/2619890434658885960'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/2619890434658885960'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/06/unreported-tragedy-of-missing-former.html' title='The unreported tragedy of the missing former atheists - fortunately now found'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-7644894879865723169</id><published>2009-06-10T11:03:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2009-06-12T09:24:58.508+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='satire'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='media'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='offense'/><title type='text'>The Chaser and right-wing censorship</title><content type='html'>"The Chaser's War on Everything" is a satirical TV show in Australia. (The Chaser itself was a satirical newspaper - the nearest US equivalent I can think of would be The Onion). The Chaser's TV show (which is on ABC-TV - owned by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, a public-owned broadcaster) has been through various incarnations, but relies mainly on satirical sketch comedy and various other bits.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Chaser boys regularly go over the top - some of their skits can be challenging to watch. And they don't always hit the mark - sometimes they're just not funny. None of that matters, except to their ratings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They regularly offend the right wing, and talk radio goes completely &lt;i&gt;berserk&lt;/i&gt; - the last time they went off quite this much was when they did a less-than-kind (but not completely inaccurate) song about people who had &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwyCcGse8WE&amp;fmt=18"&gt;died&lt;/a&gt;. This time it was for a thing they did about the Make-a-wish foundation (a charity for sick children) - so you can imagine the furore from the "won't someone think of the children!" brigade. In both the earlier case and the current one, I actually watched the piece that caused all the fuss when it went to air - and in both cases the reaction was so over the top as to be pathetic.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Look, it's simple. If you find these guys offensive, don't bloody watch them, okay?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If they break the law - well, that's what police are for. If they break guidelines for broadcast material, there are regulations and penalties in place there too. If they contravene ABC's own internal procedures, there are penalties there as well. None of that happened. There may be a question of whether the internal review was sufficient, but that's an internal matter for the ABC. To take them off the air for two weeks to pacify the right wing - when they followed ABC procedure (the piece was reviewed and approved) - was ludicrous.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The weird thing is, it was relatively speaking, the cases that the right wing decide to go nuts over are not extreme compared to other stuff that they do. It's generally no worse in offense terms than South Park or Drawn Together (except it's live, rather than animated).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Occasionally, *I* find something they've done offensive. That's not bad, it's valuable. We need our comfortable middle-class existence shaken up a bit. Nobody and nothing should be above ridicule, and it can be very valuable to step back from yourself and try to examine &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; you find something offensive.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If a parent of a dying child watched the piece and was offended (and I can certaonly imagine some would), *that* parent has every right to take it up with the ABC. But all the people screaming about the possibility that someone &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; be offended? You offend me. Get a fucking life. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The ABC is moving to curtail the way satirical programming is reviewed - which means less satire. That's a terrible loss to our society.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You have a right to find things offensive. There is, however, no right to never be offended - and there should not be.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-7644894879865723169?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/7644894879865723169/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=7644894879865723169' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7644894879865723169'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7644894879865723169'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/06/chaser-and-right-wing-censorship.html' title='The Chaser and right-wing censorship'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-5423518107557105746</id><published>2009-06-04T10:52:00.010+10:00</published><updated>2009-06-20T10:38:48.335+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='statistics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='peace'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religion'/><title type='text'>pax atheism?</title><content type='html'>I recently saw the latest &lt;a href="http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi/results/rankings/2009/score/asc/"&gt;global peace index rankings&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The thing that stood out was the countries with the low scores ("most peaceful"). They're countries well-known for low levels of religious belief. So I thought I'd try to get some data. I grabbed numbers on "no religion" from &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religions_by_country"&gt;wikipedia&lt;/a&gt;, and looked at the relationship. There were a lot of countries really squashed up at the low end of non-religous percentage (left side), so I did a transform. Unfortunately a large proportion of "0% atheist" countries make a log-transform impossible - so I did a cube-root instead.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So here's my graph of Peace Index (Low = Peaceful) vs non-religious percentage (click for larger)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/SicdfJNvKQI/AAAAAAAAAN0/bwEXmiY5kQU/s1600-h/relig-peace1.PNG"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 263px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/SicdfJNvKQI/AAAAAAAAAN0/bwEXmiY5kQU/s400/relig-peace1.PNG" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5343271903785068802" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_V4w18ZWaPas/SWhEe4akG_I/AAAAAAAADTM/74bMlVX_7L0/s400/Religion+War+Cartoon+02.jpg"&gt;Interesting, eh?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Issues:&lt;br /&gt;- "wealth" will be a confounding variable (poorer countries will on average be less peaceful and more religious)&lt;br /&gt;- a few of the non-religious percentage figures are a bit rubbery, and my treatment of ranges (taking the upper end) less than ideal. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'd like to improve this plot by getting other/better figures (e.g. I'd also like to try some of &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion"&gt;these&lt;/a&gt;), giving ranges where ranges were given and giving less weighting by the width of the range (make them smaller or paler or something, if the figures are really uncertain). I'd like to use other figures, and see what adjusting for wealth (say GNP per capita or somesuch) does. Just looking at some of the wealthy "western" countries, it looks like the effect remains, but would be weaker.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'd also like to label the points! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But this is a good start, and I've spent all the time I can on it for now.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-5423518107557105746?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/5423518107557105746/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=5423518107557105746' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/5423518107557105746'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/5423518107557105746'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/06/pax-atheism.html' title='pax atheism?'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/SicdfJNvKQI/AAAAAAAAAN0/bwEXmiY5kQU/s72-c/relig-peace1.PNG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-1659439339712824927</id><published>2009-05-25T14:36:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2009-05-25T14:42:30.485+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ida'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='lolcats'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='icanhaz'/><title type='text'>I can has scienz</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/ShogvkSBslI/AAAAAAAAANs/5MMRc5KLn8s/s1600-h/idabike.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 261px; height: 400px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/ShogvkSBslI/AAAAAAAAANs/5MMRc5KLn8s/s400/idabike.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5339616309766369874" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Well, it seemed funny when the idea came to me. I haven't seen this anywhere, but no doubt it will have occurred to others also.)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-1659439339712824927?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/1659439339712824927/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=1659439339712824927' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1659439339712824927'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1659439339712824927'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/05/i-can-has-scienz.html' title='I can has scienz'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/ShogvkSBslI/AAAAAAAAANs/5MMRc5KLn8s/s72-c/idabike.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-1503175345264099620</id><published>2009-05-25T12:49:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-05-25T13:19:19.950+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='science reporting'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='journalism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ida'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='creationism'/><title type='text'>Creationism - a party of no Idas?</title><content type='html'>The media hype about Ida is wearing thin. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But by contrast &lt;a href="http://entequilaesverdad.blogspot.com/2009/05/sunday-sensational-science_24.html"&gt;Dana&lt;/a&gt;'s post is a delightfully clear summary of the issues. Perhaps the most engaging one I have read.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-1503175345264099620?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/1503175345264099620/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=1503175345264099620' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1503175345264099620'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1503175345264099620'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/05/creationism-party-of-no-idas.html' title='Creationism - a party of no Idas?'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-8697851037453645652</id><published>2009-05-25T09:24:00.005+10:00</published><updated>2009-05-25T12:49:15.350+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheist morals'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='euthyphro'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='dilemma'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='argument'/><title type='text'>Sharpening the horns</title><content type='html'>I recently saw a version of the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthyphro_dilemma"&gt;Euthyphro dilemma&lt;/a&gt; that to me resonates better than the usual presentation. It's the same argument, but it fits better as a reply when theists do the old "can't be moral without God" dance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In a &lt;a href="http://evolvingthoughts.net/2009/05/16/moral_atheists/#comment-22721"&gt;comment&lt;/a&gt; by Ian Spedding at John Wilkins blog, he said:&lt;br /&gt;"Ask them if they believe their chosen deity is a capricious being or one of reason and order. If the former, why follow a moral code that was thought up on a whim, if the latter, what is to prevent us from reasoning to the same conclusions all by ourselves."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have a feeling it may be further teased along, but it's a good one as is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Some of the other discussion in that comment thread is also interesting.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[edit: b0rken link fixx0red]&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-8697851037453645652?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/8697851037453645652/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=8697851037453645652' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8697851037453645652'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8697851037453645652'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/05/sharpening-horns.html' title='Sharpening the horns'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-7037462291704822751</id><published>2009-05-08T15:01:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-05-08T15:04:10.499+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='argument'/><title type='text'>creation and existence</title><content type='html'>If you assert that everything that exists must have a creator, then you assert that either god does not exist or god in turn had a creator.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you instead agree that at least some things don't have a creator, then there is no need to posit a creator at all.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-7037462291704822751?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/7037462291704822751/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=7037462291704822751' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7037462291704822751'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7037462291704822751'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/05/creation-and-existence.html' title='creation and existence'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-7854081372560160403</id><published>2009-05-08T13:19:00.011+10:00</published><updated>2009-05-14T13:55:38.389+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='allegorical answers to rhetorical questions'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='the cake is a lie'/><title type='text'>Infinite cake.</title><content type='html'>I can happily have ice-cream without whining that I can't enjoy it because nobody promised I would get infinite cake after I finish.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The lack of infinite cake does not make the ice-cream worthless. Instead, undistracted by the imaginary need to gather cake-forks, I can focus on the very real ice-cream at hand, and enjoy it while it lasts. It's pretty good ice-cream.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/SgOolZN4ySI/AAAAAAAAANk/WeDobnMonsQ/s1600-h/cake_lie2.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 149px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/SgOolZN4ySI/AAAAAAAAANk/WeDobnMonsQ/s400/cake_lie2.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5333291744114559266" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-7854081372560160403?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/7854081372560160403/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=7854081372560160403' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7854081372560160403'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7854081372560160403'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/05/infinite-cake.html' title='Infinite cake.'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/SgOolZN4ySI/AAAAAAAAANk/WeDobnMonsQ/s72-c/cake_lie2.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-2166874055688925931</id><published>2009-05-04T00:28:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2009-05-04T00:31:16.837+10:00</updated><title type='text'>"God delusions cloud a world of wonder" opinion-piece in The Age</title><content type='html'>Worth a look, I think:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/god-delusions-cloud-a-world-of-wonders-20090502-aqxa.html?page=-1"&gt;God delusions cloud a world of wonder&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-2166874055688925931?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/2166874055688925931/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=2166874055688925931' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/2166874055688925931'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/2166874055688925931'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/05/god-delusions-cloud-world-of-wonder.html' title='&quot;God delusions cloud a world of wonder&quot; opinion-piece in The Age'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-3986200074301671750</id><published>2009-05-01T16:37:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-05-01T16:45:16.905+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='politics'/><title type='text'>Why 60 Dem senators is not all that filibuster-proof</title><content type='html'>There's a lot of noise about Arlen Spector's move to the Dems, which along with Al Franken (when he finally gets there, probably some time in 2011) makes for 60 democratic Senators.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But 60 democratic senators, while it sounds filibuster-proof, is nothing of the kind.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If the democrats try to rely on those 60 votes, where does the power lay? With the right-leaning democrats. It hands blue dogs the ability to bring on a Republican filibuster any time they have an issue that they want their own way on... and I don't imagine they won't use it a few times.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They can't do it *every* time, but that doesn't mean that they can't do it at all. If there's something they *really* want, you can bet that's a bargaining chip they know they hold. Even if they don't actually use it, the threat may be enough to get them what they want at the bargaining table. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's wait and see how it all pans out.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-3986200074301671750?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/3986200074301671750/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=3986200074301671750' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/3986200074301671750'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/3986200074301671750'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/05/why-60-dem-senators-is-not-all-that.html' title='Why 60 Dem senators is not all that filibuster-proof'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-6626577588729283248</id><published>2009-04-20T15:48:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-04-20T15:51:29.710+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='shameful lameness'/><title type='text'>No posts in a month!</title><content type='html'>I don't think I've gone a month without posting before on this blog. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This has been caused by a number of things - an ongoing illness, combined with work pressure has led to a general ennui with regards to writing much. Anyway, I won't bore you about it, but I wanted to say that I am still around.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have a number of topics to talk about, but finding the energy to actually turn them into priceless prose? Not so much. Hopefully I will be back at it in all senses very soon.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-6626577588729283248?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/6626577588729283248/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=6626577588729283248' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/6626577588729283248'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/6626577588729283248'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/04/no-posts-in-month.html' title='No posts in a month!'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-7842607633051625386</id><published>2009-03-11T18:16:00.004+11:00</published><updated>2009-03-11T18:39:33.475+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='spaghetti monster'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ambigram'/><title type='text'>An ambigram</title><content type='html'>Hemant &lt;a href="http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/03/10/i-want-this-tattoo/"&gt;mentioned&lt;/a&gt; that he wanted a "flying spaghetti monster" ambigram tattoo.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That struck me as a pretty tricky thing to do, so I had a go at just making "Spaghetti Monster" just to see if it was possible. It's a quick and dirty attempt with no artistic merit, but I think it's adequate as a proof-of-concept that an ambigram something like what he wants should be quite doable in the hands of a more accomplished artist with the time to attempt it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/Sbdn0c6qhAI/AAAAAAAAANc/rg9AQ9dWIdA/s1600-h/spagmon2.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 353px; height: 179px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/Sbdn0c6qhAI/AAAAAAAAANc/rg9AQ9dWIdA/s400/spagmon2.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5311828436319896578" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Atheist "&lt;i&gt;A&lt;/i&gt;" was just something I tossed in at the last moment (I noticed it on my blog as I was about to upload a first attempt and wondered if I could work it in. The answer was "yeah, sort of").&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-7842607633051625386?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/7842607633051625386/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=7842607633051625386' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7842607633051625386'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/7842607633051625386'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/03/ambigram.html' title='An ambigram'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/Sbdn0c6qhAI/AAAAAAAAANc/rg9AQ9dWIdA/s72-c/spagmon2.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-5906790329960316035</id><published>2009-03-07T10:03:00.010+11:00</published><updated>2009-03-07T11:46:13.041+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Carnival'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bastard'/><title type='text'>Will Lie for $$$</title><content type='html'>The people providing political commentary on US TV are extraordinarily wealthy. As far as I can tell, they're all in the top tax bracket.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a result, their opinions are necessarily coloured by that fact. Even the honest ones (a list which appears to be quite short) will give you the news &lt;a href="http://entequilaesverdad.blogspot.com/2009/03/how-one-of-biggest-tax-cuts-in-history.html"&gt;filtered through the lens of its impact on &lt;i&gt;them&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. So you cannot easily get much useful information about its impact on you. And many of them (I'm looking especially at some people on Fox News and &lt;a href="http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=220252&amp;title=cnbc-gives-financial-advice"&gt;CNBC&lt;/a&gt;) will lie right to camera if they think it will make them better off. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Their alarmism makes people make bad decisions. Instead of debunking the bad decisions they've caused, these &lt;i&gt;parasites&lt;/i&gt; will encourage them. The lesson is threefold:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt; You can't trust main-stream media. At all. Ever.&lt;sup&gt;(1)&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt; You have to work things out for yourself. &lt;sup&gt;(2)&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt; You can't trust main-stream media. At all. Ever.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/uL&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;font size=-1&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt; Watch them by all means, but always assume that every word comes with an agenda, and make sure you understand how the person you're watching (and the people they work for) are lining their own pockets. &lt;i&gt;Follow&lt;/i&gt;, as the saying goes, &lt;i&gt;the money&lt;/i&gt;. They will tell you what's good for them, not what's good for you. They will tell you what's bad for them, not what's bad for you. They will exploit you. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt; That's a nuisance. There are plenty of sources of good information online, but there are plenty of bad sources of information, too. You have to equip yourself at least well enough to tell a good argument from a bad one, and read more than one source of information.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/oL&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There's a major case in point on income tax. And it's not just the cable news and finance guys that you have to watch out for - &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2009/03/tax_thresholds_why_the_horror.php"&gt;networks&lt;/a&gt; and the newspapers are doing it too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They're exploiting dumb people. They want you to be dumb too. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Specifically, one thing that's got me cranky is the way the media has been playing up stories about people trying to earn less than $250,000 in order to pay less tax (as discussed in several of the links). Instead of doing the responsible thing - explain the actual situation - they're encouraging you to misunderstand.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Most of my readers are very smart, so I'm probably stating the obvious, but let's look at what's going on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Most western countries have a progressive tax system. That means that as you earn more, you pay a higher percentage of your income in tax (however, as you earn more, your ability to shift income in ways that lowers your tax rate also goes up, so it's sometimes not progressive at all). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This happens by there being progressively higher tax rates on the amount you earn above particular threshholds, creating what are called "&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_bracket"&gt;tax brackets&lt;/a&gt;"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the US in 2008, the &lt;i&gt;top&lt;/i&gt; marginal tax rate (the amount you pay on your &lt;i&gt;last&lt;/i&gt; dollar) was 35%. But the &lt;i&gt;average tax&lt;/i&gt; rate for everybody is below that. What's happening is that the two highest marginal tax rates for those with the highest incomes in the US will in 2010 go ... back to what the highest two marginal rates were in 2000. That's all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The very, very highest incomes will - in 2010 - be paying 39.6% on their last dollar. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The total (or average) tax rates for 2008 look like this (&lt;font size=-2&gt;public domain &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_income_tax_2008.svg"&gt;image&lt;/a&gt; by &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dejo"&gt;Dejo&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/font&gt;): &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/SbGxP8WD8zI/AAAAAAAAANU/wATTj8ZYjsQ/s1600-h/776px-US_income_tax_2008.png"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 309px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/SbGxP8WD8zI/AAAAAAAAANU/wATTj8ZYjsQ/s400/776px-US_income_tax_2008.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5310220323101340466" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What's happening is that in 2010, the green line will move up a bit, but in fact most people in the US will actually pay a little less tax - the red and black lines will only be higher up the right hand end - and most people are quite a way left of the middle of the graph).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Guess what? I &lt;i&gt;already&lt;/i&gt; pay more than 39.6%. My marginal tax rate here in Australia is 40% (and it's recently gone &lt;i&gt;down&lt;/i&gt; - I was paying 42%). If I was earning my current income in the US, I'd be paying 25%, not 40%. I pay a higher marginal rate of tax than every Rick Santelli in the US. Actually, if you include the way some of the government benefits reduce with income (something I strongly support), my effective marginal tax rate (impact of the last dollar I earn) is actually a fair bit higher than 40%. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The top marginal income tax rate here is 45% - oh, and there's also a consumption tax.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I experience very little disincentive to earn an extra dollar of income, even though I am paying a higher marginal rate of tax than &lt;i&gt;everybody&lt;/i&gt; in the US will be paying, even after the tax changes come in. (The biggest disincentive I experience is simply the marginal cost in time, a far more scarce resource to me than money.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't feel like I pay "too much" tax. I drive on roads. My kids go to school. I get less expensive prescription drugs than I otherwise would. When I have to go to the doctor, I get most of the money back. There are police, fire brigade, ambulance services and a hundred other things that make it &lt;i&gt;possible&lt;/i&gt; for me to earn that money I pay tax on, and make it possible for me to enjoy the benefits of the rest of it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I also gain the security of knowing there are a couple of safety nets available if everything were to go pear-shaped. The fact that other people are getting the benefit of those safety nets right now is not a source of envy - if you're badly enough off that you need them, there's really not much to be envious of.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's something to keep in mind: if they'll lie to you about that, what else can't you trust them on?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-5906790329960316035?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/5906790329960316035/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=5906790329960316035' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/5906790329960316035'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/5906790329960316035'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/03/will-lie-for.html' title='Will Lie for $$$'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/SbGxP8WD8zI/AAAAAAAAANU/wATTj8ZYjsQ/s72-c/776px-US_income_tax_2008.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-2859281054661136142</id><published>2009-03-02T16:52:00.005+11:00</published><updated>2009-03-02T17:20:44.430+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Snell&apos;s law'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mathematics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mathematical doodling'/><title type='text'>It's times like this I wish...</title><content type='html'>... that I had more than high school physics.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was solving a nifty little optimization problem which occurred to me as a continuous version of a discrete problem that used to come up in an old computer game I used to play long ago. The problem boiled down to finding a best route of travel given two different speeds in different kinds of terrain.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, after a page of scribbling around, I came up with a formula for a simple case of the problem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then I realized that my simple case was (in a modified form) essentially going to be solved by &lt;a href=""&gt;Snell's Law&lt;/a&gt; (also called the Law of Sines). And sure enough, my simple formula &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; Snell's law (but changed about a bit so it wasn't instantly obvious, like having a ratio of cosecants of angles to the normal instead of sines - which is just a matter of inverting both sides...).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.instant-analysis.com/Principles/refraction-proof.htm"&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; is essentially what I was doing, but less formally and with a lot more faffing about and a few false starts. (It's easy to find on-line if you already know what to look for, eh?)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I felt like a bit of a dope. On the other hand, at least I was definitely on the right track. Since I'd had a headache all day, that was all I could manage in the time available, so I didn't go on to derive the problem I was actually interested in (the shape made by traveling as far as you could in a given time, given a particular boundary between the two regions), but with Snell's Law it should become a somewhat more straightforward calculation for the situations I was playing with (since it tells me "where to head" after striking a smooth boundary, so for the simpler cases it's a matter of computing where you end up given each boundary point).&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-2859281054661136142?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/2859281054661136142/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=2859281054661136142' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/2859281054661136142'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/2859281054661136142'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/03/its-times-like-this-i-wish.html' title='It&apos;s times like this I wish...'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-1921303339437071635</id><published>2009-02-28T13:59:00.001+11:00</published><updated>2009-02-28T14:01:58.217+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheist bus'/><title type='text'>The bus...</title><content type='html'>After going to the trouble of making my own "atheist bus" headlines (I have several ready to go if I decide they're worthwhile), I find out there's a website already set up that puts it on the &lt;a href="http://ruletheweb.co.uk/b3ta/bus/?s1=There%27s+probably+no+cod.&amp;s2=Now+stop+complaining&amp;s3=and+eat+your+sardines."&gt;bus for you and everything&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-1921303339437071635?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/1921303339437071635/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=1921303339437071635' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1921303339437071635'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1921303339437071635'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/02/bus.html' title='The bus...'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-1745495892657839278</id><published>2009-02-27T16:36:00.004+11:00</published><updated>2009-02-27T16:48:40.264+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheist bus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='russell&apos;s teapot'/><title type='text'>There's probably no...</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/Sad8BhI67zI/AAAAAAAAANM/r3USxUtOtwk/s1600-h/bus_teapot.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 57px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/Sad8BhI67zI/AAAAAAAAANM/r3USxUtOtwk/s400/bus_teapot.jpg" border="0" title="Thou shalt have no teapot before me"alt="There's probably no teapot. Now stop worrying and drink your damn tea."id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5307347051396919090" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-1745495892657839278?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/1745495892657839278/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=1745495892657839278' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1745495892657839278'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1745495892657839278'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/02/theres-probably-no.html' title='There&apos;s probably no...'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/Sad8BhI67zI/AAAAAAAAANM/r3USxUtOtwk/s72-c/bus_teapot.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-6505728753288725409</id><published>2009-02-27T16:00:00.004+11:00</published><updated>2009-02-27T17:03:36.700+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='net-censorship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='government'/><title type='text'>Ding-dong, the witch is (probably) dead.</title><content type='html'>Looks like the Aus. government's compulsory web-censorship plans are &lt;a href="http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2009/02/26/1235237810486.html"&gt;dead&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nick Xenophon changed his mind (even though he was doing it because he figured it would help his anti-gambling stance), so they don't have the senate numbers any more.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm leaving the banner up for now though, because Conroy has had his tits all over this like a stripper looking for a 20, and if it can be revived, you can bet he'll do it - I expect this legislation to be a zombie and rise again, looking for brains.&lt;br /&gt;(&lt;i&gt;Stephen Conroy is the Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy... and rubbing his tits all over brain-eating zombies&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;font size=-2&gt;What's the point in metaphors if you can't mix them? Or stick 'em in a blender on "pulverise"?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-6505728753288725409?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/6505728753288725409/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=6505728753288725409' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/6505728753288725409'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/6505728753288725409'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/02/ding-dong-witch-is-probably-dead.html' title='Ding-dong, the witch is (probably) dead.'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-597206575439232489</id><published>2009-02-21T08:48:00.002+11:00</published><updated>2009-02-21T09:12:33.209+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tech'/><title type='text'>Technology stuff</title><content type='html'>Hey, did you know the Chinese have a cell-phone battery that &lt;a href="http://www.informationweek.com/news/personal_tech/smartphones/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=213000855"&gt;can last a lifetime&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;font size=-2&gt;(&lt;i&gt;line break in link now fixed&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;/font&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-597206575439232489?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/597206575439232489/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=597206575439232489' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/597206575439232489'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/597206575439232489'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/02/technology-stuff.html' title='Technology stuff'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-8574200417515968231</id><published>2009-02-19T13:59:00.003+11:00</published><updated>2009-02-19T14:02:09.289+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='recursive law'/><title type='text'>The law of recursion</title><content type='html'>An observation based on reading many comment threads:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;As any comment thread grows sufficiently long, the probability that Godwin's law will be mentioned approaches 1.&lt;/I&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-8574200417515968231?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/8574200417515968231/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=8574200417515968231' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8574200417515968231'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/8574200417515968231'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/02/law-of-recursion.html' title='The law of recursion'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-5828494245372738227</id><published>2009-02-11T08:19:00.004+11:00</published><updated>2009-02-11T08:35:48.862+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='reading'/><title type='text'>Reading the man</title><content type='html'>I'm reading Darwin's Origin of the Species.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've read extracts before, and one day I sat in a library and read a chunk of it, but I've never actually read the book before.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm not doing anything high-minded like reading it for the &lt;a href="http://citizenship.typepad.com/blogfordarwin/"&gt;blog for Darwin&lt;/a&gt; campaign or anything - it just happens to be one of the many books I bought when I was in Washington D.C. last year, and I've read the other science books (Shubin's &lt;i&gt;Your Inner Fish&lt;/i&gt;, Sagan's &lt;i&gt;The Varieties of Scientific Experience&lt;/i&gt;,  both recommended). I just wanted to read it, and there was a reasonably-priced edition. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I feel the same sense of excitement I had when I plunged into D'Arcy Thompson's &lt;i&gt;On Growth and Form&lt;/i&gt;, a book which can unfortunately only be experienced for the first time once. (If you've never read it, do yourself a favour and try to find a copy. Mine was the shorter 328 page edition.), except that with &lt;i&gt;Origin&lt;/i&gt;, instead of a well-regarded descriptive book on the fringes of mainstream biology, we have a book critical to modern biological thought.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-5828494245372738227?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/5828494245372738227/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=5828494245372738227' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/5828494245372738227'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/5828494245372738227'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/02/reading-man.html' title='Reading the man'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-237013510406351701.post-1862857729144273408</id><published>2009-02-06T11:35:00.009+11:00</published><updated>2009-02-08T10:45:36.337+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='science works bitches'/><title type='text'>Oh, brave new world ...</title><content type='html'>... that has glider guns in't!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.0587"&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; is freaking &lt;i&gt;cool&lt;/i&gt;. But if Belousov-Zhabotinsky reactions or cellular automata are unfamiliar, don't go there just yet, read this first.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wow, I want to explain six different things at once. Where to start.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Bzr_fotos.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 700px; height: 442px;" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Bzr_fotos.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There's some amazing chemicals (quite a few different ones) that undergo &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belousov-Zhabotinsky_reaction"&gt;Belousov-Zhabotinsky reactions&lt;/a&gt;, which switch between states. The image shows one such reaction where there's a cyclical colour change.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.scholarpedia.org/wiki/images/3/3a/BZ_Spiral_waves.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 293px; height: 355px;" src="http://www.scholarpedia.org/wiki/images/3/3a/BZ_Spiral_waves.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;If you set up a BZ reaction in a thin layer (say something like a petri dish), then you can observe beautiful cycles of &lt;a href="http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Belousov-Zhabotinsky_reaction"&gt;spiral waves&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Very similar spiral waves of excitation are observed, for example, in certain cardiac problems.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, to go off in a completely different direction, there are mathematical constructs called &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_automaton"&gt;cellular automata&lt;/a&gt; (CAs).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/CA_rule30s.png"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 500px; height: 250px;" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/CA_rule30s.png" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These are basically a layout of cells - often in a line, or sometimes in a 2-D array (or sometimes even in higher dimensions), which evolve according to simple local rules (such as "if the cells either side of me are both black, next step I will change to white"). The image here is of the development of one such CA, called "Rule 30". As you progress down from the top, each row of the image represents one "time step" in the development of this 1-d cellular automaton.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While they were originally purely mathematical ideas, patterns that arise in essentially the same way, and look very much like those seen in some kinds of cellular automaton do occur in nature, for example, on some kinds of shells:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Textile_cone.JPG/800px-Textile_cone.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 800px; height: 600px;" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Textile_cone.JPG/800px-Textile_cone.JPG" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Further, people have noted in the past that a particular kind of cellular automaton, the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_cellular_automaton"&gt;cyclic cellular automaton&lt;/a&gt; can generate very distinctive spiral waves that look somewhat like BZ spiral waves.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The most famous of these cellular automata is undoubtedly &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_Game_of_Life"&gt;Conway's game of Life&lt;/a&gt;, a 2D one that produces some amazingly intricate patterns. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f2/Game_of_life_animated_glider.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 84px; height: 84px;" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f2/Game_of_life_animated_glider.gif" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;One very early pattern that was discovered is called a glider - a pattern only a few cells across that changes in such a way that it appears to "fly" diagonally in a straight line. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Gospers_glider_gun.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 250px; height: 180px;" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Gospers_glider_gun.gif" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; In 1970, Bill Gosper, in response to a challenge by Conway to find a Life pattern that would show "unlimited growth", designed a constuction that produces a constant stream of gliders, called a "glider gun". (There are a large number of other constructions that exhibit such unlimited growth.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Using many structures such as this, it has been shown that it is possible to construct a kind of computer that is equivalent to a &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Turing_machine"&gt;Turing machine&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In 2005, Motoike and Adamatzky discussed using Belousov-Zhabotinsky reactions in the construction of logic gates in liquids, and there has been a bunch of other related papers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now to the new bit. &lt;a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.0587"&gt;There's a new paper up on arXiv&lt;/a&gt; where a bunch of researchers the University of West of England (including Adamatzky) have constructed, using BZ reactions, a chemical version of a glider gun (it's not exactly a game-of-life glider gun, but it has similar properties. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/SYuU43G7OEI/AAAAAAAAANE/dW3Kfj2TJJY/s1600-h/glider-guns.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 206px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/SYuU43G7OEI/AAAAAAAAANE/dW3Kfj2TJJY/s400/glider-guns.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5299493091118102594" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As the authors say in their conclusion, "theoretical ideas concerning universal computation in these systems is closer to being realized experimentally. We were able to manipulate glider streams, for example annihilate selected streams and switch periodically between two interacting streams. We were also able to show that glider guns could be formed or annihilated via specific interactions with glider streams from a second gun. We also showed examples where glider guns could be used to implement simple memory analogs."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They also say, "[t]hese discoveries could provide the basis for future designs of collision-based reaction-diffusion computers". Indeed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There may well be implications relevant to the development of the earliest self-reproducing structures (protolife) on earth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;via &lt;a href="http://arxivblog.com/"&gt;The physics arXiv blog&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/237013510406351701-1862857729144273408?l=ecstathy.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/feeds/1862857729144273408/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=237013510406351701&amp;postID=1862857729144273408' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1862857729144273408'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/237013510406351701/posts/default/1862857729144273408'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecstathy.blogspot.com/2009/02/oh-brave-new-world.html' title='Oh, brave new world ...'/><author><name>Efrique</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08526031804261484547</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Bqkz12OAfXQ/SYuU43G7OEI/AAAAAAAAANE/dW3Kfj2TJJY/s72-c/glider-guns.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry></feed>
